cropcirclewalker
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Mods.....I am trying to talk about our body politic and our social system. I think this piece belongs here.
We had a string a few days ago that got locked talking about whether or not we were going to get another draft.
That got me to thinking about how it is that we can only fail in our attempt to deliver freedom to the Iraqiis. They are a culture of sheep. They have no history of individual freedom. It is a foriegn thing to them.
That got me to thinking about the string from way back about the sheep, the sheepdogs and the wolves and how that string tried to 'splain to us how we (sheepdogs, we gun owners, but soldiers and leos mostly) were so heroic because we didn't run from danger and we were resolved to help our fellow citizen in denial.
The sheep. The liberals. The anti types.
I put a link to the site where the story was printed........That ejectejecteject guy that is such a good neocon writer from Hollywood. It's long and it's mostly related to post Katrina happenings and if there are any here who haven't read it, it might be worthwhile.
One thing clipped from the piece.......
With all this stuff going on about Hollis Wayne Fincher and his upcoming trial I have to ask myself......Is he a sheepdog?
If he is, why is he being attacked by the other sheepdogs?
OK, so I thunk I would try to continue the analogy and try to figger it out.
First, the sheep, sheepdog, wolf analogy is not natural.
In a natural state there is either a shepherd (real life, men, in the pecking order) or not. With no shepherd the herd of sheep would be on it's own. The sheep has been domesticated to the extent that it is probably unable to sustain itself without the shepherd's interventions. I don't know if the original domesticated sheep was bred down from like one of those Big Horn Sheep that one sometimes sees mounted on the hunter's wall or not. I suppose it's possible that the herd could revert back to the Bighorn, but it would not be without serious predation and/or attrition. If that were to happen the Bighorn could take care of itself without the need of the sheepdog.
Let us not forget that the sheepdog is really a domesticated animal that has had its predatory and pack instincts beaten out of it by the shepherd. Without the shepherd the sheepdog would eventually revert to its wolfish nature (we all know that the dog is a pack animal). Without the shepherd to feed the sheepdog and keep it under control the sheepdog would revert to wolf.
The other natural state, since man slid down a link in the food chain to become the sheep (or dog or whatever), would be one in which the next higher authority would also drop a link to fill the position of shepherd. Here we have two possibilities, the first of which would be the dieity. I propose that the creator taking the position of the shepherd would not actually work since an omnipotent being really needs no sheepdogs and could eliminate the wolf threat by decree or command.
The second likely shepherd figure turns out in my estimation to be government. Yes, .gov.
Yes, I think that works. Man becomes the sheep (or dog or whatever) and .gov becomes the shepherd. Now we can continue the analogy.
Now comes a stark reality.........The shepherd is really just a civilized wolf. Yes, the shepherd is raising these sheep to either eat or breed or milk or shear. The shepherd is not guarding this flock out of altruism. He has a plan for these sheep. He is actually in competition with the wolves for the control of the sheep.
Yes, the govt. analogy seems to fit rather well.
So........
Do I wanna be a sheep? No. Even though history has shown us that the overwhelming majority of mankind, being a social animal (herd, tribe, clan, village, sect, fiefdom, kingdom, country, etc, etc) has been manipulated by one shepherd or another since the beginning of time. (My assumption) Perhaps one hand can count the attempts by man to actually be a free, independent people.
I suspect that our very own American Independence experience has been one of those. After the revolution and with all the free space to the west, yes, we (our ancestors) struck out on their own. Sure there were predators (Native Americans) out there, but if you look back you will see that the original Paleface type settler got along with the Indian, did commerce, whatever and it was not until .gov started taking lands and doing bad treaties that we actually had wars.
Santee Souix comes to mind. The largest mass execution to take place in our history. Google it.
Do I wanna be a sheepdog? No........a pack animal from prehistory days that has had the predatory instinct beaten out of it (In most cases, although there is the occasional throwback).
No, I don't wanna be a Wolf.
I think I wanna be a Feral Hog.
Now here we have an animal that was beaten back from it's free state, rootin' around in the woods, eatin' acorns and mushrooms and mindin' it's own business. Forced into a pen to live in it's own waste and wallow. Big tusks and a tough hide and able to take care of itself. This is an animal that if it was to escape into the wild would most likely be able to survive on it's own. Doesn't need the nanny state shepherd or the repressed wolf like sheepdog to protect it.
Free.
Yes, maybe Hollis Wayne Fincher is a feral hog.
He comes from Arkansas...........Razorbacks.
Think about it.
The original piece can be found at......
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html
We had a string a few days ago that got locked talking about whether or not we were going to get another draft.
That got me to thinking about how it is that we can only fail in our attempt to deliver freedom to the Iraqiis. They are a culture of sheep. They have no history of individual freedom. It is a foriegn thing to them.
That got me to thinking about the string from way back about the sheep, the sheepdogs and the wolves and how that string tried to 'splain to us how we (sheepdogs, we gun owners, but soldiers and leos mostly) were so heroic because we didn't run from danger and we were resolved to help our fellow citizen in denial.
The sheep. The liberals. The anti types.
I put a link to the site where the story was printed........That ejectejecteject guy that is such a good neocon writer from Hollywood. It's long and it's mostly related to post Katrina happenings and if there are any here who haven't read it, it might be worthwhile.
One thing clipped from the piece.......
He is a good writer. Silver tongued.The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog that intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
With all this stuff going on about Hollis Wayne Fincher and his upcoming trial I have to ask myself......Is he a sheepdog?
If he is, why is he being attacked by the other sheepdogs?
OK, so I thunk I would try to continue the analogy and try to figger it out.
First, the sheep, sheepdog, wolf analogy is not natural.
In a natural state there is either a shepherd (real life, men, in the pecking order) or not. With no shepherd the herd of sheep would be on it's own. The sheep has been domesticated to the extent that it is probably unable to sustain itself without the shepherd's interventions. I don't know if the original domesticated sheep was bred down from like one of those Big Horn Sheep that one sometimes sees mounted on the hunter's wall or not. I suppose it's possible that the herd could revert back to the Bighorn, but it would not be without serious predation and/or attrition. If that were to happen the Bighorn could take care of itself without the need of the sheepdog.
Let us not forget that the sheepdog is really a domesticated animal that has had its predatory and pack instincts beaten out of it by the shepherd. Without the shepherd the sheepdog would eventually revert to its wolfish nature (we all know that the dog is a pack animal). Without the shepherd to feed the sheepdog and keep it under control the sheepdog would revert to wolf.
The other natural state, since man slid down a link in the food chain to become the sheep (or dog or whatever), would be one in which the next higher authority would also drop a link to fill the position of shepherd. Here we have two possibilities, the first of which would be the dieity. I propose that the creator taking the position of the shepherd would not actually work since an omnipotent being really needs no sheepdogs and could eliminate the wolf threat by decree or command.
The second likely shepherd figure turns out in my estimation to be government. Yes, .gov.
Yes, I think that works. Man becomes the sheep (or dog or whatever) and .gov becomes the shepherd. Now we can continue the analogy.
Now comes a stark reality.........The shepherd is really just a civilized wolf. Yes, the shepherd is raising these sheep to either eat or breed or milk or shear. The shepherd is not guarding this flock out of altruism. He has a plan for these sheep. He is actually in competition with the wolves for the control of the sheep.
Yes, the govt. analogy seems to fit rather well.
So........
Do I wanna be a sheep? No. Even though history has shown us that the overwhelming majority of mankind, being a social animal (herd, tribe, clan, village, sect, fiefdom, kingdom, country, etc, etc) has been manipulated by one shepherd or another since the beginning of time. (My assumption) Perhaps one hand can count the attempts by man to actually be a free, independent people.
I suspect that our very own American Independence experience has been one of those. After the revolution and with all the free space to the west, yes, we (our ancestors) struck out on their own. Sure there were predators (Native Americans) out there, but if you look back you will see that the original Paleface type settler got along with the Indian, did commerce, whatever and it was not until .gov started taking lands and doing bad treaties that we actually had wars.
Santee Souix comes to mind. The largest mass execution to take place in our history. Google it.
Do I wanna be a sheepdog? No........a pack animal from prehistory days that has had the predatory instinct beaten out of it (In most cases, although there is the occasional throwback).
No, I don't wanna be a Wolf.
I think I wanna be a Feral Hog.
Now here we have an animal that was beaten back from it's free state, rootin' around in the woods, eatin' acorns and mushrooms and mindin' it's own business. Forced into a pen to live in it's own waste and wallow. Big tusks and a tough hide and able to take care of itself. This is an animal that if it was to escape into the wild would most likely be able to survive on it's own. Doesn't need the nanny state shepherd or the repressed wolf like sheepdog to protect it.
Free.
Yes, maybe Hollis Wayne Fincher is a feral hog.
He comes from Arkansas...........Razorbacks.
Think about it.
The original piece can be found at......
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html