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Shooting angers immigrant community in Columbus

Discussion in 'Legal' started by eagle45, Dec 30, 2005.

  1. eagle45

    eagle45 Active Member

    Nov 26, 2004
    Southwest Ohio
    From the Dayton Daily News:

    Fatal shooting of Somali immigrant angers community
    By the Associated Press
    COLUMBUS | A sheriff's deputy shot and killed a knife-weilding African immigrant who lunged at officers who had come to take him to a psychiatric center, authorities said.

    An angry crowd gathered in the northeast Columbus neighborhood Wednesday after the shooting of Nair Abdi, 23, an immigrant from Somalia whose family said he had stopped taking his medication and had become delusional. Four Franklin County deputies had been sent to his home under a court order.
    Abdi was smoking on the sidewalk as the officers, two in plain clothes and two in uniform, approached. He immediately took out a knife, prompting uniformed deputy Mike Wiley to spray him with Mace, which didn't stop Abdi, said Lt. Brent Mull, a Columbus police spokesman.
    "Mr. Abdi then made violent slashes at the deputies," and deputy Jason Evans, also in uniform, shot him, according to a police news release.
    Abdi died of a gunshot wound to the torso, Franklin County Coroner Brad Lewis said Thursday.
    Police called to the scene were confronted by members of the crowd screaming, "cold-blooded killers!" More officers had to be summoned to help break up the crowd.
    "They could have wounded him," said Liban Abdi, the victim's brother. "They could have shot him in the leg, in the arm, anything else."
    The four deputies were placed on leave pending an investigation, standard procedure for a police shooting. Mull said it appeared they took the right steps in trying to get Abdi to surrender before using force.
    The police department, which is investigating the shooting, deferred questions on what other nonlethal weapons deputies carry to the sheriff's office. Officials there did not respond to a message seeking comment Thursday.
    Evans is a seven-year veteran, while Wiley has eight years of service.
    An order for Abdi to be taken to a psychiatric center had been issued Wednesday after a health care worker said he was "a danger to himself or others," said William Reddington, chief magistrate of Franklin County Probate Court.
    Abdi started showing signs of mental illness after his family emigrated to the United States in 1999, his brother said.
    "He would say the television was made by the devil, cars were made by the devil," Liban Abdi said.
    Nair Abdi spent six months in the hospital earlier this year but had stopped taking medication after complaining that it made him feel weak and sleepy, his brother said.
    More than 1,500 Ohio officers have taken a training course on dealing with mentally ill people that teaches officers the best methods for calming down an agitated person. The program was developed five years ago and has been copied by law enforcement agencies around the country.
    Ohio also has 27 courts that exclusively handle cases involving the mentally ill, the most in the nation.
  2. wheelgunslinger

    wheelgunslinger Senior Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    0 hours west of NC
    You know, cops really have a tough job. Shooting this guy would've been my first choice once the knife started flipping around and I saw he was 10 pounds of crazy in a 5 pound Somali.
    Of course the community is outraged. A killing is a serious thing, but at some point officers have to protect themselves too.
  3. Janitor

    Janitor Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Absolutely impossible to say how it went down from the lack of detail in the story. The guy was 'slashing' at the officers though - sounds like a defensive shoot.

    I'm sorry the man lost his brother - very tragic. But where do all of the non-gunnies* out there get the idea that it's ok to use deadly force to simply 'hurt' somebody? Why on earth do they think that a deadly attack stops because you wound a person?


    * Actully - I've no proof that was a quote from a 'non gunner'. He may really like them and simply know very little about them and their use.
  4. kage genin

    kage genin New Member

    Oct 31, 2004
    Too true.. in fact a few High Roaders make the same argument in this thread about New Orleans police shooting a man with a knife.
  5. Mongo the Mutterer

    Mongo the Mutterer Participating Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    St. Louis
    Yep and they could have hit him in the femoral artery and he could have bled out.

    Newsflash to Liban, your bro threatened a cop. The cop responded. You don't like it go back to the armpit you came from...
  6. Skeptic

    Skeptic New Member

    Dec 8, 2005
    Democratic Peoples Republik of MD
    Too bad the guy got killed, but he had a terminal case of the stupids... you just dont go after cops with a knife.

    Even though he was mentally disturbed, he still posed a serious threat to the cops. IMHO, the cops were justified in killing him.
  7. grnzbra

    grnzbra Member

    Feb 3, 2004
    Northern Virginia
    Where do people get this K-Wrap?
  8. CAS700850

    CAS700850 Participating Member

    Jul 20, 2004
    Central Ohio
    Ah, gotta love it when the crap happens in your own backyard, or more accurately, close enough to home to make me pay attention. First, the deputies were going after a man who had a history of violent behavior, including prior knife use in a crime and attempting to steal a Highway Patrol cruiser while the trooper was writing a citation. Second, the man has been committed to a mental health hospital five times in the last five years. This was going to be #6. Third, the Somali community in the Columbus area is a large group. Surprisingly large. And, like many large groups, it has its share of bad guys who may try to capitalize on this situation. More importantly, let's hope the politicians don't try to sacrifice the deputy for "the good of the community." Then again, from what I've seen of Ron O'Brian and his staff of prosecutors in Franklin County, they play it pretty straight. After all, they did assist in prosecuting the Governor. :D
  9. ball3006

    ball3006 Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    If the family really gave a hoot.....

    about this guy, they would have made him take his meds.........Too many loony farms let people out of the padded rooms by giving them meds........and this results.........as said above, if they are unhappy here in the USA, they can always go back to where they came from. I wonder if they are legal or not.........chris3
  10. DontBurnMyFlag

    DontBurnMyFlag Active Member

    Sep 16, 2004
    didnt we try to save their country a while back? ingrates:banghead:
  11. longeyes

    longeyes member

    Dec 25, 2002
    True West...Hotel California
    Cultural assimilation training should include how to behave with the police.

    Oh, wait, they don't get cultural assimilation training...?
  12. dpesec

    dpesec Active Member

    Mar 17, 2005
    CAS 100% correct. I do exepct some political fall out. I don't know if this happened in Columbus, Franklin or Delware county.
    The political fallout will be greater in Columbus, and the least in Delware.
    I can't see Mr. Coleman leaving this alone. Great way to get headlines.:cuss:
  13. Atticus

    Atticus Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    I wonder if the officers sent after this guy had received that training.

    Apparently, they did not have tasers with them because they had not received taser training. I feel bad for the officers, they had to do what they had to do with the equipment and training available. But considering the situation, I think their SOP for planned pick-ups of mentally unbalanced people might need some tweaking.
  14. longrifleman

    longrifleman Active Member

    Feb 11, 2004
    western Missouri
    This is the first thought I had. I don't see any problem with the defensive part of the shoot, but the planning is questionable.

    I have no intention to cop-bash, but have a question on possible tactics. They knew he was crazy and possibly dangerous, so what would be wrong with having one officer armed with a shotgun loaded with beanbags or some such backing up the others. That keeps stand-off capability and reduces the chance of killing the crazy, as well as innocent bystanders. I know even those can kill, but they also give some political cover to the officers.
  15. bg

    bg Active Member

    Oct 5, 2003
    When you find out, let me know..
    Am I reading this wrong or did the cops come after him because he
    was "smoking on the sidewalk" ? If so, this means anyone enjoying a
    smoke outside can be hassled ? Or am I missing something here..:confused:

    Opps sorry. I missed the part about the med guy claiming he was a danger.
  16. Coronach

    Coronach Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 20, 2002
    Very raapidly, for I am away from home on Vacation (yay!)...

    1. It was in Columbus proper. The Deputies were, seemingly, serving some manner of court order in the City (perfectly normal) when this happened.

    2. ASSUMING that everything went down as reported in the media (always a crap shoot), it sounds like a good shoot. As always, far too early to tell.

    3. The "mentally-ill" training CPD and other agencies have received focuses on de-escalation and such, but when the knives come out it is still "shoot until the threat stops", assuming it was a valid threat.

    4. Taser is a non-option in this scenario, unless it is a stand-off (read: he is just standing there with the knife, no one is close enough to end up on the short end of a Tueller drill, etc). Even then, there should be someone present with a deadly-force option should things change. make no mistake, a guy charging you with a knife is a shoot-to-slidelock event.

    5. Coleman might very well leave this alone, since he curently has a lot on his plate politically *cough*drunkdrivingwife*cough*, he has a son who just joined the force, and (again, assuming it happened the way they said) it has all the hallmarks of being a good shoot.

    We'll see.

  17. Sheldon J

    Sheldon J Active Member

    Jul 11, 2005
    Cereal City, Michigan
    Tell them to go back

    to their home land. Just how much compashion do you think their locals would have had, very likely they would have machine guned him down, then took the remainder of the family to a prison just for having him around. Or they would have taken him in for torture along with his whole family. My point is they have no gripe the PD did it by the numbers, he is the moron that went after them with a deadly weapon.:cuss:
  18. gunsmith

    gunsmith member

    May 8, 2003
    Reno, Nevada
    I hate the "shoot in the leg" argument

    If I ever have to shoot some one & some idiot says that to me I will say, "I was aiming at his leg but his chest & head got in the way"
  19. No_Brakes23

    No_Brakes23 Participating Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Everett, WA Recently escaped from San Diego, PRK
    +1 Ya know, I am more than happy to jump in on the cop-bashing when it appears to be a bad shoot, but the video they showed of this guy had him well within the 21-foot range. A sad deal for everyone, but while watching the video, I had to believe I would have shot, were I in the position the officers were in.

    edit: tasers may have been of some help here, but who can say if they could have safely used one?
  20. CAnnoneer

    CAnnoneer Participating Member

    Jul 17, 2005
    Los Angeles County, CA
    What is amazing is the lack of common sense among the "protesters". They certainly do not consider what they would have done in the cops' shoes.

    Ultimately, this occurrence is another example of the all-too-common domestic emaciates whining about life being hard.

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