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Shootout leaves man dead, 4 San Antonio officers injured

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by eoR, Jan 3, 2003.

  1. eoR

    eoR New Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Presidio San Sabá
    By Sonja Garza, Elaine Aradillias and Jesse Bogan
    Express-News Staff Writers

    Link to story

    Not a lot of details yet but evidently Officer Muñiz is just months out of the academy and had already been shot four times when he when he finally was able to kill the BG.
  2. Blackhawk

    Blackhawk Member In Memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Obviously, the SAPD needs a BUNCH of training on gun control as in how to KEEP your gun in YOUR control! :fire:

    Hope all the LEOs are going to be fine, but this story is about some serioius training that needs to be done.

    It's also about turning dangerous felons loose before they've served their time. Jail overcrowding, maybe...? :cuss:
  3. dave

    dave New Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I agree with you, BH.

    The man should have never been close enough to do what he did. Letting one's guard down can be soooo bad.

    I hope everyone comes out as well as they can. And my hat's off to the officer who, when faced with a "right now, in your face" confrontation, stood his ground and did the best he could.

    Wonder if those who let the gunman out of prison early will visit the officers in the hospital?
  4. St. Gunner

    St. Gunner Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Devine Texas
    Out the back of the SAPD academy they have a mock graveyard, for those students who loose control of their weapon in retention drills, you go dig your own grave and they erect a little headstone for you.

    We'll never know exactly what transpired there, but it is proof positive that their is a training problem when one man hits four officers before someone stops him. I think SAPD is carrying .40 s&w Glocks at the present time, how many times was the guy hit before he dropped, or was he?

    I think lots of times we have officers who fail to practice with that gun on their hip. My brother-in-law who grew up shooting rifles and shotguns almost didn't requalify a few months ago because he refuses to practice. In part because the department fails to provide practice ammo for his .357 Sig and he won't buy any. I can't drum it into his head that he needs to, if it means buying a used sig in 9mm to be able to afford to shoot it daily or weekly.

    I know that we had some various law enforcement officers who used to shoot IDPA like it was a religion every month, but we had many more who showed up once, got soundly whipped and never returned.
  5. Average Guy

    Average Guy Active Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Behind the Orange Curtain, PRK (aka OC--not "the"
    Sadly, from personal experience, St. Gunner, I'll have to agree with you. My darling wife, just 3 months out of the academy, took 3 tries to pass her handgun qual. Despite my willingness to train with her, run the shot timer, whatever--she just never got around to it. I think for many of them, it's just not that important. Until they need it, of course.

    And I'm already tired of hearing "We don't have ammo; we can't practice" from the TSA. You DON'T NEED AMMO to dry practice.

    (edit: "a round" to "around." Interesting double entendre, but grammatactically--uh, grammatically incorrect.)
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2003
  6. VaughnT

    VaughnT Participating Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Western SC
    Believe me when I say that this apathy is very common in every facet of the armed industry. Working for an armored car company you would think I was surrounded by hard-core shooters, but I'm not. I've tried every argument there is under the sun, pure logic even, but nothing gets through the old, "what're the odds that'll ever happen to me?" :cuss: :banghead:

    And what's worse is that we are far greater targets than cops ever were. Every good guy and every bad guy believes our trucks are slap full of millions of dollars (a falsehood if ever there was one) and that puts a serious pricetag on our heads. Ooooh, could I tell you some stories!!!

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