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Shotgunning Tribes....

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Dave McCracken, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. Dave McCracken

    Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam

    Dec 20, 2002
    Maybe Subspecies would be more apt, but I'll stick with Tribes.

    Many of us spend more time in one aspect of shotgunning than in others. Some aspects draw in personality types, oft to the point where stereotypes emerge. Here's a few...

    The Steely Eyed Target Shark.....

    The SETS, for short, is found in all the clay sports but is most often sighted these days on Sporting Courses. A SETS tends to be a Type A personality, is fairly to amazingly fit, and shoots long barrelled,high end O/Us. A subset shoot autoloaders with plastic furniture that are often painted like hot rods. Both kinds like extended choke tubes with lots of holes in them and worship at The Altar of The Mighty 12 gauge.

    If they fish, they tend to go after Marlin and Sharks.

    Key words and phrases to ID a SETS include "Digweed", "50 yard crosser" and "$%^&* Rabbit ".

    SETS clothing tends to be polo shirts,caps. slacks and running shoes, frequently color co-ordinated. If they hunt over dogs, the dogs are often lean and ribby like the SETS. English pointers, GSPs, and similar are common.

    The Sporting Gentleman.....

    An SG tends to be older and less fit than SETS, but they often can follow a bird dog for miles and miles. SETS tend to be clean shaven while SGs favor mustaches and short, trimmed beards.

    SGs like to shoot SxS shotguns of great esthetics and high cost,usually made before WWII. They like Eldridge Hardie paintings,sporting spaniels,16 and 28 gauges, and are seen shooting while wearing tweeds and little caps. If they fish, they tend to use dry flies.

    Key words and phrases to ID the Sporting Gentleman (or Spo'ting Gennulman if you've read Babcock and Buckingham) include "Purdey", "Bespoke", "Galazan" and "$%^&* Rabbit".

    On sporting courses SGs do not hit quite as many clays with their lethal works of art as SETS do but no one has more fun.

    The Practical Tactical....

    Practacs look like they've operated Armored Personnel Carriers and Police Cruisers, or at least as if they'd like to. Their shotguns are all 12 gauges, flat black and hold more shells than those of SETS or SGs. Their dogs are Rottweilers, Mastiffs,Shepherds, Dobermans and so on. The fashion tends to military haircuts, BDUs and at least one folding knife with a tanto point clipped to a pants pocket.

    If they fish, they use explosives. Or at least joke about using "Dupont Lures"..

    Key words and phrases for the PracTacs include "Benelli", "Split Times" and "#$%^&* last plate"....

    Can you think of other Shotgunning Tribes?

    All three of these groups contain many members well worth knowing and shooting with. Most Shotgunners are good folks. Let's each of us work to belong to that majority....
  2. Big Az Al

    Big Az Al Member

    May 13, 2007
    SO AZ
    I can't think of a good name for this tribe

    But what about the trap shooting growd,

    This greggerious bunch, of shooters, likes events lasting 1, 2, 3, or even 7 days. During the coarse of a shoot the card players of this tribe will wear out several decks of cards, and while money is wagered, it is small pots, with lots of chatter and plenty of spectators.

    A successful club, during a shoot, will have the look of being an RV park, play and party erea, as a large number of shooters, RV for everything

    The events themselfs are usually a lot of hurrying up and waiting, balanced by an equal amount of kicking back and relaxing, with some really entense shooting sandwitched in between.

    Their body types are hard generalize, their poster people tend to have amble middles, some would say even paunchy. Although there are equal mumbers of skinny bodies around.

    There dress tends to be simple country type, with a large number dressed so as to say, "now there is a farmer" "T" shirts are around in equal numbers, and even a lot of yuppy outfits. Belt worn shell holders seem to out number the vests being worn around, a large number of the vests being worn are well worn even tattered.

    Any shoot will have a varied showing of shotguns, A lot of single barrel OU combo's, the single barrel will be shot more then the OU"s as about 75% of all birds shot are single targets with no second shot. A surprising number of entry grade shotguns will be seen in use, right beside the high end guns.
  3. sm

    sm member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Between black coffee, and shiftn' gears
    Rebels, Renegades, Reprobates.
    Subset: Curmudgeons , Desperadoes, Hustlers, and Non-Sanctioned types.

    These ladies and gents, run from young to old.
    Many have dropped more shells than some will ever shoot.
    They learned gun fit, correct basic fundamentals, and have slapped triggers in quality practice until they ran out of shells, and had to borrow shells or make a bait shop run and buy every box in the joint, no matter what guage.

    These folks shoot .410, 28ga, 20ga, and 12 ga.
    Then again don't be surprised if they shoot a 24 or 32 gauge.

    Unwritten code : don't show up with a clean gun.

    Shells often time appear they were reloaded about a dozen times too many, buy hey, that is what electrical tape and candle wax is for.
    Some have kilt more than one Vacuum cleaner, and have replaced more than one delicate bag belonging to a lady.
    This usually about the same time they are informed the Washer & Dryer are off limits to 28 gauge hulls being washed and dried in the darn things...

    Fair Weather shooters stay on the porch, or peer out onto ranges, to watch these Folks shoot in hot and humid summer days of 117* F before heat index is figured and below freezing temps that cause skin to crack open and mustaches to break.
    Rain, Sleet, Snow, T'storms and even Tornadoes, and ...
    Puller pulls, as these folks don't really want to call for a target.
    Low gun, target(s) tossed and they mount gun to face and slap trigger...

    Rising Teal is just boring,just breaking it every time it rises... still there is that "$%^&* Rabbit ".

    If they can see it, they can fell it.
    Then again the gals will see some handsome stud with his shirt off and walk smooth into a bench.

    No problem, the fellow watching the cute babe in Tank Top and short shorts already walked into the bench, so they help each up and swear they were looking for the short pull spring out of a pull cord.

    Or the anti dust glue that the puller had to have squirted onto the box of clays before loading the trap machine...

    Equipment varies from those that show off the latest find from the trash bin, and this usually followed by the sound of a pitiful shotgun hitting the ground falling out of a gun case with no zipper, and no padding...

    Others just show up, borrow guns, shells, eyes and ears and hand back guns...

    Bragging consists of showing that the hardware store had a screw to fit the forearm of a single shot shotgun bought at a garage sale for $25.
    After someone looks through the barrel, sees a hole plumb through it, it is deemed cleanand ready to shoot, dirt dobber nest will fall off eventually ...once someone finds some dad-burned shells...
    Hold these shells upright,less the pellets fall out.
    Dawg done run off with the electrical tape again...

    "Dead bird".

    And the shooter ain't even on the dang field yet, makes no never mind, if it breaks , its broke ...

    <rebel grin here>
  4. Famine

    Famine Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Well, I guess I’m a “Practical Tactical” from that description, but I can’t help but spot the prejudice toward “my kind.” I get the feel that Practical Tacticals are hicks from the hills and valleys since they use explosives to fish, and have rather low IQs since they are apparently not smart enough to become an armored car driver.

    So why do I find this odd? Maybe it’s because I like black guns in the gauge of 12. They match my black Camaro, my black GMC pickup, my black Harley, and the black collar on my English Mastiff. And I also like my military style haircut. Why? Because I got married seven years ago and found that paying $38 every three weeks to get my hair cut and styled didn’t get me any more “lovin” than a shaved head does. And guess what…I also like to carry sharp pointy knives in my pockets. So, since I seem to fit the mold so well, what’s the problem?

    Oh yes, the obvious biases. If my assumptions are correct, and for that above description to pigeonhole me as a Practical Tactical, I should probably be blowing up fish with dynamite and praying for that armored car service job. Well actually, I enjoy fishing with flies that are attached to my Orvis rod. And as for a wan-a-be PracTac job, I guess I’m over qualified since I have three undergrads, two professional certifications, and a masters.

    It’s bad enough when non-gun owners pigeonhole gun owners, but when gun owners pigeonhole their own kind, I’ve got to wonder.
  5. Floppy_D

    Floppy_D Member In Memoriam

    Jul 4, 2007
    NAS Pensacola
    I don't know what I fall under, but if I shoot any form of clay, it's usually with friends, most of whom are new to it, just to get them out there. I can hit the bulk of the stuff thrown with my Stoeger 2k, and I am content. If I fish, it's for walleye and bass, stuff I learned to catch back in TX. If my haircut looks high and tight, it's because that's what Uncle Sam wants. If I'm pulling triggers I am happy, regardless of scores, and I really mean that. There's a good chance that any hull my shotgun spits, has been spit more than once through the same gun, as I reload any and everything. I like dogs, all of 'em.

    I guess I'm a mutt. :)
  6. BridgeWalker

    BridgeWalker Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Lansing, MI
    SM, sir, you have pegged me.

    I am a non-sanctioned type, a soon-to-be lawyer who wants to shmooze the gentlemanly set, but who shows up in military surplus clothes. I'm absolutely dedicated to trapshooting, when I can get the other half to watch the baby or wrangle free babysitting. I'm way too serious for the casual shooters and way too broke for the SETS.

    28, but through culture and religious law, denied access to guns until the age of about 23.

    I pay back my borrowed shells, generally by carefully seeking out the precise shell brand and type lent, generally by paying obscene Gander prices (so, I'm a little type A, whaddya want, I'm not just a curmidgeon in training, I'm also a law student.)

    Yeah, I have a system for handling borrowing shells. That speaks volumes. I've also been known to spend my last penny buying a box from the range for $7, and then parking in the cheap or free parking six blocks away from school because my parking money bought shells (no small feat, since I leave the range at 5.30, drive half an hour to downtown, and get to class at 5.55. This is achieved through creative driving and proceeding through downtown at a dead run for six blocks, smelling of powder and sweat, and briefcase flapping at my side).

    Blew it all on a neat gun, but I long to buy a sixteen gauge, just to be contrary. And my coz won't buy herself the .410 she wants because her male relatives don't approve. Guess what she is getting for her birthday. :D

    I part ways with you there. Regular cleanings are a must!, at least once a month or every 500 shells. But, a clean gun can always be blamed for lousy shooting.

    Alas, I fail here for I have no press. I did swap an old gun for a bunch of #9 AA's, cuz for I want to reload the hulls. #9 is just an interesting challenge. :D

    I have electrical tape on my shoes from time to time, when they start to leak...

    I can do that? Awesome!!!

    I dragged my cousin out in four below, before calculating windchill to play with my new, first gun. This summer I enjoyed the warm day, when I had a hard time shooting because there was too much sweat in my eyes, and I love the way steam rises off a wet gun.

    Gettin' there. 0 to 22 in two months of regular shooting. Working on 25.

    Ya pegged me, Sir. :)

    I listen a lot, don't say much, except to let folks know that if they want to talk, I want to listen. And I get better, fast. I got twenty-some years to make up for.
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2007
  7. sm

    sm member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Between black coffee, and shiftn' gears
    Ya know, one of these days I am going to remember to type 16 gauge when I list gauges.
    My apologies .

    I like 16 gauge...
    I do not it when the 16 gauge gets stuck on a 12 gauge reloader though.
    I have this down to a science.
    Look first you dummy

    Can't do that, ruins all the ranting and raving and cussing if you actually look and catch this first.

    Nothing wrong with poking fun at self, and those that can poke fun at self as well, - there exists a understanding of razzing and teasing.

    I started out at Skeet, razzed my Trap buddies.
    They razzed me, then we all did 5 stand and Sporting clays we picked on Tennis and Golf folks.

    One day out shooting 5 stand, ran into some real serious Tactical types trying 5 stand.
    I mean wound up way too tight.

    Got word they were coming back out and we had a plan...
    WE showed up dressed in British Hunting Clothes, Pipes, and whatever else, did our best fake British Accent [Southern Boys doing this mind you].
    I had a Ithaca Riot Gun, another fellow a 1897, 1100, and one busted old Singe Shot with electrical tape and bailing wire...but he did have a 9 iron.

    "Mind if we play through?" He asked.

    Did you know, some folks will just stand there, look at you like you are plumb nuts?
    Inside the clubs house folks dying laughing, ladies about to pee themselves.

    We settled any differences we had, they admitted being a bit wrapped around the axle and into equipment too much.
    We confirmed we were indeed totally nuts.

    So we actually gave lessons to these folks, improved their game, got a dad and wife to come out and shoot skeet, and hunting trips were planned and and it was all good.

    Crazy Quail they watched us shoot.
    Then we coached them through...
    "This is not easy, and very humbling, they admitted.

    Reminds me.

    Tennis Tribe.

    One of the wives married to the 6'2" "wall" [solid as one] said she used to play tennis years ago and was thinking of getting back into tennis.
    "I can't break a clay" she said.
    I said "can't died" come on.

    So while she is meeting other ladies, I go snag a Tennis Raquet from the clubhouse, very useful tool for a clubhouse, just like a 7 iron is...

    Husband comes down to the field where we are are hears his wife saying "I broke another one".

    "Honey??" he says...
    "Well she is 7 for 7 breaking <toss another clay her way, she breaks with racquet> make that 8 for 8, we ain't to using a shotgun yet, but we got her breaking clays".

    <chuckle> "You folks are nuts!"
    "Yeah but for the price of them tennis outfits she can get a nice shotgun" we quipped back.

    She ended up taking up Skeet, got a used 1100 in 20 gauge and had a great time with the ladies.

    Husband ended up quitting tactical, taking up Skeet, then 5 stand then Sporting clays, they had a great time doing shotgun stuff together.
  8. ugaarguy

    ugaarguy Moderator Staff Member

    Mar 19, 2006
    Famine, take a step back. Dave has shared here in the past that he's a retired Corrections Officer having served with the Federal Bureau of Prisons. He's worn the BDUs and the close cropped haircut. He's lived the practical tactical as a BOP shotgun instructor. He's joked about the gun club in Maryland where he shoots having a 23" minimal barrel length to keep him off the skeet range with his riot guns, lest he offend old attitudes.

    At the same time he's also shared about shooting some older and newer double guns playing the role of a SETS or an SG.

    I think he's trying to get folks to look at the stereotypical groups and realize we're all gun owners first, shotgunners second, and shotgun tribesmen last.

    For what it's worth my two shotguns are a little blued & wood Winchester 37A 20 gauge, and an 18.5" barrel 11-87 Police, parkerized finish, complete with mag extension, black synthetic furniture, and tritium front bead. I also have a magazine plug, standard mag cap, and 26" RemChoke bbl to turn that 11-87 into a field gun. I'm prior Air Force, in my mid 20s, and now wear a closely trimmed beard. I guess I fit somewhere in sm's Rebel crowd.
  9. rantingredneck

    rantingredneck Senior Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    North Carolina
    I guess I fit the Renegades, Rebels and Reprobates best, with occasional forays into the practical tactical and SG crowds.
  10. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Feb 16, 2003
    Ft. Worth
    Those 2 groups are generally the ones I fear the most in a contest of skill....
  11. Dave McCracken

    Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam

    Dec 20, 2002
    Thanks for the responses, folks.

    Famine, in the real world I was HOA for the LE 3 gun league here in MD in 83 and 86. I was runnerup in 85 to a woman I taught from scratch.

    Retired CO( LT). Still have short hair(what's left of it), a couple "Serious" 870s with high round counts and there's a very sharp tanto point Cold Steel Voyager clipped to my Lee's.

    Besides working in the trenches, my duties for 20 years of DOC included HRT, Weapons Squad of the Regional Tac Unit,Firearms and Self Defense Instruction, and so on.

    And YES, I fished with C4. Long ago, far away.

    I regard all three Tribes I wrote about with respect and true affection. The thread is for entertainment and to remind us we're all in this together.

    No offense was intended. I save offense for Sarah Brady, etc....
  12. MCgunner

    MCgunner Senior Member

    Dec 3, 2005
    The end of the road between Sodom and Gomorrah Tex
    I guess I best fit the "SG" except that I'm broke and can't afford a nice Parker or LC Smith vintage SxS. I have a 1971 vintage Spanish gun that's got a little class in an economy sort of way, but my current fav is a new Remington Spartan. ROFLMAO!!!!! So, I guess I'm the poor white trash subset of the sporting gentleman. :D
  13. doc2rn

    doc2rn Senior Member

    Aug 6, 2006
    SW Florida
    The Red Neck type

    I wanna sub catagorize the Prac Tac group with a beer drinking, tobacco chewing, God fearing, bare foot, bib overall wearing, back hills type called the Red Neck. He likes to fish in the morning, hunt in the evening, fix the transmission to his pick up in the bath tub, and do back breaking labor in a coal mine. He is a descent hard working type who enjoys simple things like blue grass music, card games like pitch, and uses CB radios to talk with neighbors.
    Of course he wears BDUs with a pocket knife, and even has the crop top hair cut, but I think he deserves some recognition.:p
  14. sm

    sm member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Between black coffee, and shiftn' gears
    <David Allan Coe Voice>

    My buddy Dave wrote the original thread post about Shotgun Tribes.
    He encouraged others to assist him as he knows there is no perfect gun, ammo, shotgunner or thread.
    So I waited and old Steve posted, and sure enough I figgered he'd toss in some Rebels, and Renegades sorts.

    I read the replies, appreciated the input, then I kicked Steve's feet, handed him a cup of coffee, left a honey bun on his 'puter desk, and waited for the rest of the thread.

    He ain't share yet about kids, momma's, daddy's , grandpa's , dawgs or trucks yet.
  15. sm

    sm member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Between black coffee, and shiftn' gears
    I wanna do that, I want to go, puh-leez! Yeah, that was fun and cool!

    This here Tribe is the future of , Shooters, Firearms, Hunting, and all Freedom is about.
    We speaking of kids here. Oh they may be too little to actually shoot, still they pull handles on MEC reloaders, use shell stackers to get reloaded shells into shell boxes, and smell like Hoppe's No. 9 and Johnson's Paste wax when little hands, and big eyes,assist with shotgun inspect and maintenance.

    They get a bit bigger, and use a rifle stock off a .22 rifle, and put feet onto mats with feet prints to learn stance, correct mounting of gun to face and all.
    Four Rules of Safety, and side by side with a bigger person, they learn shotgunning.

    BB Gun stage hits, and with sights busted off, they continue to learn lessons of shotgunning.

    Leg cramps and growing pains later, there they are, with a shotgun just their size with real light loads.
    The big folks at the range, well they watched the Future come up, spoiled them rotten in the Club House, out on the fields by letting them watch, pull birds and the kids worked hard gathering up boxes for the trash.

    Bigger folks make a big deal about their shotgun, they ask to borrow it and shoot with it, pretty neat to see a big person want to shoot your gun, and break targets.
    "Thank YOU!" followed by sir or ma'am when a box of shells is given to that kid, and no amount of money could buy these moments.

    Big People stop let a kid and new shotgun shoot some easy targets.
    The kid pulls a few birds for others, but they tire out just not being any bigger, so the big folks shoot some more, and that new puppy dawg up at the Club House porch needs some attention...
  16. Capstick1

    Capstick1 Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    I'm not sure what category I'd fall into. I'm one of the older crowd. Paunchy in the middle. Like listening to heavy metal and Classic rock but can't stand country and rap. I normally wear blue jeans and a t shirt with my Clays vest. I like both dogs and cats and own a Sheltie. I'm dedicated to the 12ga and normally shoot trap because I'm absolutely horrible at skeet. My normal weapons of choice are either my Belgian Auto five, 11-87, or 870. I do own a Browning 525 but when you go through 300rds in a day this O/U turns your shoulder black and blue. I enjoy shooting with friends and don't really judge a person by what kind of shotgun they shoot. I've seen some very good trapshooters that were deadly with cheap kmart special singleshot shotguns.
  17. Dave McCracken

    Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam

    Dec 20, 2002
    Redneck Shotgunners have been covered elsewhere (The Redneck Cup). I have to admit I resemble that remark.

    I went to PGC this AM to help out with the Youth shooters program they have. A group of adolescents with rental shotguns for the most part, but good kids and our hope for the future.

    Also there, a bit of a surprise. It seems the 4H clubs have a shooting program and today was a range day for them. I spoke to their Honcho. He had 57 kids there today, shooting trap and skeet.

    I applauded his efforts, commended him, and spoke my mind.

    That's 57 shotgunners of tomorrow.

    57 voters.

    57 points of light.

    I care not if they end up as SETS, SGs, Practacs or whatever. As long as they shoot, own guns and know what to do.
  18. sm

    sm member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Between black coffee, and shiftn' gears
    Oh Hooooney! ,Oh, Dadeee!, Oh Sweetieeee? Say Dad!, Say Grandpa! Tribe.

    Granted ladies make up the majority of this tribe, and most times these ladies are standing there with a 28 gauge shotgun, grinning ear to ear , batting eyes and the sounds of "pitter-patter" in hearts.

    Men folk being the recipient of all this , well "$%^&* Rabbit " is not what they say, instead " $%^&* Steve" and they do tend to reach back to wallets and sigh real hard.
    Steve is no dummy , he hides behinds the gal with the 28 gauge shotgun...

    Men, well they are not real smart as it has been suggested.
    Some dads and grandpas will actually hand a kid or grandson some nice 28 gauge, Model 12, 1897, and wonder how come they did not take this gun home, instead that boy.

    Others do dumb stuff like "Yeah, go ahead, shoot Dave's or Will gun, have fun".
    Then wonder "whut happened" when that boy has to have one.
    Word I get is Dave's and Will types hide behind the Boys Mom, or Grandmother.

    Sometimes guys get lucky, they managed to hit the toilet more than miss, take out the garbage without being reminded and walked the dawg and the lady gets all brain farted and she wants to get him whatever that neat shotgun was he shot and really wanted.

    Funny how a cup of tea, munching on chocolate, after the gun is bought, fella is out shooting it these ladies have an epiphany : "$%^&* Rabbit " my foot! " $%^&* Steve" and all the chocolate I coulda bought for what I paid for that gun!
  19. Larry Ashcraft

    Larry Ashcraft Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Home of Heroes, Pueblo, CO, USA
    I'm more likely to be found in a duck blind, a dove field or chasing up quail or pheasants.

    But I do enjoy shooting clays. I prefer sporting clays and I use the same shotgun I use for hunting, my plain jane Citori.

    We do enjoy helping the kids, though:


    That's our nephew Josh and his friend, learning the ropes with Sandy's 28 ga SXS.
  20. Scoupe

    Scoupe Member

    Sep 24, 2004
    Kansas City
    Hmm, I'm a sub-clan of the Sporting gents, the skeeters. Skeeters tend to carry a lot more "ballast" than the larger tribe, but share a lot of the personality traits.

    This time of year, I'm a bleary-eyed marsh wader. We're found in low wet areas with fake ducks and kazoos. Marsh Waders are often distracted by gadgets that don't work or break easily and end up just concentrating on staying still and keeping sunlight off their faces.

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