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Shots fired, cough cough...

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Navy joe, Feb 28, 2003.

  1. Navy joe

    Navy joe Well-Known Member

    Finally got to shoot the '58 New Army clone today, my first BP experience. Lots of fun, and a nice cold day to be out. Kept at it until my box of 100 balls was gone. So, what is the straight line capper to buy? I was seating them with my swiss army bottle opener which worked but was tedious.

    2nd dumbest thing I did... Left the bore butter at home, the 1st cyl was all slathered up with it, but for the remainder, dig through car, find GP grease. Worked great.

    And the dumbest application of kharma to a firearms situation. Got tired of using the grease, said to myself, "well the balls are all sealing tight, what's the chances?". Right around the time I was thinking to myself if anyone on THR had ever had a chainfire I thumbed the hammer back and dropped 2 off. Oops, guess that makes one of us. Resumed shooting, using lots of grease.

    I was a little disapointed, I was hoping for a little more smoke. I was using Goex FFFg, maybe some junkier powder would make more mess? Smells nice though.

    A very powerful weapon, now I want to do some penetration tests. I certainly wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of it.

    Speaking of grease, it freed up the cyl pin when it started to bind, but I need to try the ballistol out. Have large tub of Crisco too. I can also see that it makes the slope even more slippery. One cheap Italian gun could easily turn into 4 cheap italian guns, some expensive silly clothes, 10 spare cylinders and a dumb yet catchy name. I'll have to watch out for that.

    This is also why THR is great, someone who has never picked up a C&B gun can get one, the neccessary accessories and go shooting for an afternoon without much trouble. Heck, they can even realize when they are about to cause a chainfire and do it anyways! Well now I can veteranly say, been there done that, got grease on the t-shirt.
  2. Fatelvis

    Fatelvis Well-Known Member

    Navy, just out of curiousity, what happened when the pistol chainfired? Is it still perfectly operable?..... Glad you`re not hurt.
  3. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Elmer Keith attributed chain-fires to loose percussion caps and not a "spark" jumping between cylinders.

    BTW, if you got off more than one shot with the pull of the trigger, you have a Class III weapon. Suggest you surrender yourself to the ATF. ;)
  4. Navy joe

    Navy joe Well-Known Member

    Maybe loose caps sometimes, but not in this case. I still have the nipples stock and seating caps is a bear. Plus, no chainfire occurred once I returned to capping the balls with grease. Further, I felt the cap ding off my wrist as it went backwards to parts unknown. The one that fired was up at the 10 position, as in next one to be fired. The ball just dinged down the side of the reciever and hit a little of the cylinder pin handle. I don't think you could hurt the gun or youself much unless you convinced the chamber at the bottom whose exit is obstructed to fire. I didn't give it much thought, just some grease. Not even a scratch on the blue.

    Speaking of grease, I get my glasses out of the range bag this morning to do some IPSC gunning. Couldn't see a thing, grease everywhere. Didn't notice a thing while shooting though, to much fun to be cold or dirty. I did have the good sense not to waste a shower that morning and instead take one afterwards before being seen in public. Thank God I wasn't using my Delo grease, I woulda looked like a freaking smurf.

    Dirtiest gun I ever met, I stripped it down to the last screw, I guess I'll be doing that every time, can't stand the tought of all that crud in the action. Don't know how married BP shooters do it, the kitchen sink was/is a mess.

    Select fire? Hmm, I guess those smart young federals will have to show me. I gladly loan them some balls and some of that new Bullseye FFFg. I'll watch....from a distance.

    Are BP guys really just benchresters in disguise? There was one other guy at the range and he was shooting a Ruger Old Army. He had a table full of toys, stuff and notes and fired maybe 3 shots in the hour we both were there. Myself, I fired my hundred shots as fast as I could keep it stuffed. Don't understand some folks. :confused:
  5. Gerald McDonald

    Gerald McDonald Well-Known Member

    I use wads under the ball, in my 1851 (44 cal) the chambers dont allow a very heavy load, and the wads cut it down even further. The 36 cal probably packs more powder than mine.

    We married shooters use a plastic bucket with warm water. Had to clean my revolver along with a 50 cal. out in a hotel tub once, I imagine room service was plenty PO'ed. It was either that or let'em rust, so in the tub they went. I tried to clean the tub out as best I could but it gave new meaning to tub rings.
  6. foghornl

    foghornl Well-Known Member

    I don't have a BP revo now, but I did manage to 'chain fire' my 1858 Army Remington once....forgot, or got lazy, don't remember which, and didn't apply any grease to the cylinder....And, I didn't REALLY believe that a 'chain fire' could happen, because it seemed to me that the balls were a tight fit, and the caps on the nipples were snug, too.

    Boom.BOOM!! and with the stains in my shorts, I NEVER forgot the grease again.....:what:
  7. BigG

    BigG Well-Known Member

    BP is just a whole nother addiction. Got its own set of rules and paraphernalia...
  8. Dr.Rob

    Dr.Rob Moderator Staff Member

    Works even better with over the powder fiber wads.. less gooey mess too.

    I have em in 36 and 44 they work very well.

    Never had a chain fire, but I did load my 36 a little too hot.. the barrel wedge came out and the barrel was 1/4 further forward than it should have been.. couldn't figure out why that last cylinder wouldn't fire. duh!

    You think BP hand guns are fun?

    Try rifles and shotguns.

  9. RON in PA

    RON in PA Well-Known Member

    What size balls are you using, are you shaving off a small ring of lead when you load. If not, go up one size, ie., from .454 to .457.
    I use .457 in all my cap n' ball revolvers (Remington, 1860 Colt and Ruger).
  10. Navy joe

    Navy joe Well-Known Member

    I'm using .451" and it does pull a ring of lead off. that's probably what misled me into thinking all was well.
  11. Frohickey

    Frohickey Well-Known Member

    I would think that all the BP cap-and-ball folks are benchresters... I can't see them juggling the box of balls, the powder horn, the powder measure, the wad, and the cap in one hand while the other hand fires the gun.

    I could see a market for a small BP kit, enough to fit caps, wads, and bullets with a very sturdy latch mechanism that can be hooked to the belt.

    If you use wads, do you have to grease the cylinders too, to avoid a chainfire? Couldn't you just use some desktop blotter paper for the wads, just soak the cut wads in some bacon grease?
  12. MrAcheson

    MrAcheson Well-Known Member

    Hehe, I know one guy who cleans his ROAs by running they through the dishwasher. The guns are stainless so he has no trobules.

    Also know a guy who ran his New Model Remmies though like this too. Only trouble was his remmies were blue (emphasis on were, now they're closer to orange) so be careful.
  13. Gerald McDonald

    Gerald McDonald Well-Known Member

    If you use wads you dont need the grease. Biggest problem with wads is you lose some chamber capicity, not a problem in Dragoons, Remingtons or 1860's but it does lower your load in Pattersons or 1851's. As far as BP shooters being benchresters, we reload and juggle just like they did from 1836 until 1872. Load the chambers first, seat the balls second, grease, cap and your ready. I dont know anyone who only loads one chamber completely then goes to the next.
  14. Frohickey

    Frohickey Well-Known Member

    Wonder when Hodgdon will have Triple 7 pellets for the Ruger Old Army. Even when going for the nostalgia, I want my modern conveniences.

    I think I'll go and write Surefire and ask them when they will make a flashlight mount for the Ruger Old Army. Would be good for a new match category... SAS End of Trails Night Shoot. :D :p :D
  15. Gerald McDonald

    Gerald McDonald Well-Known Member

    Actually frohickey you really dont need the light, if you just make sure the muzzle is in the general direction when you pull the trigger it will usually ignite their clothing enough that you will be able to keep a bead on them as they roll around trying to put the flames out. Of course its considered bad form to light a cigarette from the smoldering bad guy.:D
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2003
  16. Frohickey

    Frohickey Well-Known Member

    Blackpowder sticks to kids??? :uhoh: :D
  17. Mike Weber

    Mike Weber Well-Known Member

    Allready there Navy Joe So far its turned into five Remingtons and planning on buying more, ten spare cylinders along with a pair of R&D conversion cylinders. Once the addiction sets in you never have enough cowboy guns or gear. I use crisco to seal those chambers rather than buying wads. I preload the spare cylinders the night before the match and cap em at the loading table, so I don't get quite as greasy while shooting allthough I look like a chimney sweep after I'm done cleaning my guns. The Ballistol really helps to keep the fouling softened up and to keep things from locking up.
  18. Mk VII

    Mk VII Well-Known Member

    I got one of those syringes they use for cleaning out ears in the hospital from a model engineering show, turned a new bigger nozzle for it on the lathe and fill it with automotive grease. Works for me.

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