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Should I wait to apply for CCW in Maryland?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by natecade1, Dec 29, 2008.

  1. natecade1

    natecade1 Well-Known Member

    I am currently 20 years old and was reading the maryland gun laws and it does not say you have to be 21.

    I was wondering if it would be prudent however to wait a few more months before applying for one?

    I couldn't find anything in the text of the law about a wait period after being denied, but does anyone know of one?
    Also if you've been denied once, do you know if they're likely to even consider an application from you again?

    any insight is appreciated.
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2008
  2. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    If there's no age limit specified, go ahead and apply.

    However, expect to be denied, no matter how old you are. Maryland is May-Issue, and the wording of the laws in regards to permit issuance are pretty ambiguous, which means that the powers-that-be at the MSP aren't going to hand out permits to any of us little folk if they don't have to.

    Basically, you're going to be told no no matter how old you are, or how much danger you're in.

    Welcome to Maryland.

    If you're interested in fighting it, I suggest you contact the folks over at marylandshallissue.org and talk to them about what you can do about it. They're good folk, and have been working very hard to get our laws changed to something more reasonable.
  3. natecade1

    natecade1 Well-Known Member

    Ok so it's the folks at MSP that actually issue?
    thats good for me.
    Also I've been a victim of two violent crimes in Prince George's County and heard that was often a reason good enough for issuance.
  4. rob b

    rob b Active Member

    save your money and time DONT apply
    the fee is non refundable and you will be denied
  5. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member


    It's not. I'm not saying that to be mean, but in their eyes, it's not going to be enough.

    To put it plainly, getting a CCW permit in Maryland is like finding snow in hell. It's just not going to happen.

    If you want an idea of how hard it is for a regular citizen (someone who's not a politician, a businessperson transporting large amount of cash, or a current or former LEO) to get a permit, check out http://www.progunprogressive.com. Sebastian has been working alongside the Baltimore PD for years cleaning up his neighborhood and taking it back from the dop dealers, and he just recently (after a HUGE fight) to get a carry permit.

    It's not as easy as having a history of prior violence against you. Sad, but right now it's what we have to deal with.


    To be clear, I'm not trying to dissuade you from applying - that's not the case at all. I think more people -should- apply. If they did, the MSP would have to start explaining to a lot of people why they don't think the right to effective self-defense applies to them. Maybe then things would start to change.

    I'm just trying to show you how much nonsense you're going to have to deal with in order to get what you want - if you even get it at all.
  6. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Well-Known Member

    i personally would be somewhat reluctant to apply knowing that the odds would be stacked against me because i am (and would be) required to disclose CCW application denials on every forthcoming CCW renewal (in other states).
  7. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    I've heard that before, but nobody's ever been able to prove that that is a necessity when applying for permits elsewhere. If you could provide cites of such, I'd appreciate it for my own knowledge.

    In the meantime, let's assume that you are required to disclose any previous applications in other states - I fail to see how a denial would affect you negatively in the future, if it had nothing to do with your criminal history.

    Now, if you applied for a MD CCW permit and were denied because of something like a domestic abuse charge or some other type of felony, I can see that being a barrier to an application in another state - and rightly so. But an denial based on an arbitrary judgement of "need"? Nope. Any other state isn't going to care, since it has nothing to do with you being legally disallowed from carrying, and everything to do with MD's arbitrary permitting system.
  8. 00-Guy

    00-Guy Well-Known Member

    What are planning on legally carrying? Unless it is a long gun, you're out of luck since you need to be 21 to purchase a pistol. Or you have parents with very deep pockets who are willing to assume the liability of you carrying their handgun.

    Read about Sebastian at progunprogressive.com. It is a long trudge even when events and circumstances should favor you.

    I agree with kingpin008. By all means apply. You might be one of the lucky ones. As for me, I would rather play the lottery. I believe that the odds are better that I might win.
  9. natecade1

    natecade1 Well-Known Member

    00-guy, I figure if I apply now and get the permit by the time I get it I'll be 21 and would like to carry a compact .40.

    thanks for all the info. I think I will probably wait til I'm in law enforcement...
    Which could be any day now, I have already passed my polygraph and have a conditional offer of employment from MSP.
  10. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    When you do turn 21, the age seems like no big deal anymore.

    And when you do, I would apply for non-resident permits from states like Utah and Florida, whose non-res permits are honored in 34 states, last I checked. You may be ood-scray in MD, that doesn't mean you never go anywhere else.

    I would also very much agree with the above in being active to push your leaders to look at the state's gun laws realistically.
  11. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

    Quite the dichotomy there.
  12. natecade1

    natecade1 Well-Known Member

    well one of them was kinda my fault. Of course I should have known better than to get gas at midnight. /sarcasm
  13. Carl Levitian

    Carl Levitian member

    I've been a resident of Maryland for most of my life. I've never seen anyone I know have any luck getting a permit.

    May as well buy lotto tickets with the fee. You'll have better luck, maybe.
  14. MAKster

    MAKster Well-Known Member

    If you are on the verge of becoming a Maryland State trooper then you don't need a concealed carry permit. Your police credentials will allow you to carry in every state in the U.S.A.
  15. natecade1

    natecade1 Well-Known Member

    I thought that the LEO Safety Act just said other states have to recognize the LEO's home state permit. So I would still have to get a permit to if I wanted to drive up to my friends in NY and keep a handgun with me.

    That was my understanding, but I'm no lawyer so I'm not sure, although I have completed an undergraduate legal studies major.
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2008
  16. mgkdrgn

    mgkdrgn Well-Known Member

    Well, you have two choices:

    1) You can apply now and be denied and be out the application fee

    2) You can wait until you are 21, be denied and be out the application fee

    Bottom line, unless you are "connected", or -maybe- if you walk around with wads of cash on a daily basis, you are going to be denied. Can't take a chance on you doing some harm to the criminals out there just trying to make a living.

    Maryland is one of the most 2nd amendment unfriendly states in the nation. (one of the reasons I moved to SC).

  17. Landric

    Landric Well-Known Member

    If you are in the hiring process with the State Police, I would strongly suggest that you NOT apply for a CCW in Maryland. Such an application in an anti-gun state like MD might actually decrease you chances of being hired. They might, after all, decide that you are only interested in being a trooper so you can carry a gun.

    Not true at all, so long as you meet the statutory requirements (which you would as a MSP Trooper), you do not need a home state permit, just your badge and ID (and IIRC, only the ID is required by LEOSA, not the badge).
  18. MAKster

    MAKster Well-Known Member

    Under the LEO Safety Act, if you are a qualified LEO you are exempt from all state concealed carry laws. All you need is your department issued photo ID.
  19. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

    Nope. Use that money to move to a more RKBA friendly state.
  20. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    Right. Because running away from a problem is always the best way to handle things.

    No, let's not invest some time and money into pro-RKBA groups in the states where the fight is the most urgent. Let's all just pick up and run with our tails between our legs to somewhere that doesn't show us any opposition. After all, those pesky anti-gunners won't follow us, nope...

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