Sig Sauer. Is it worth the $$

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I also like the civilian carry options of the USPC in Variant 1 (round in chamber, decocked, safety on).
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In my opinion, this quote hightlights the first thing a buyer of a CCW piece should do, figure out what operation he/she wants. DAO (incl. DAK or LEM), DA/SA (or C&L, or both), or striker-fired trigger (XD, Glock). Each of the different options can be carried safely - I would not judge anyone's decision. But, before picking a brand, it helps immensely to pick the action one prefers, as it really can narrow the field!!!

All of the pistols mentioned are good quality, and if well maintained should be completely reliable. Glock has a reputation that even if you maintain it poorly, or pour sand through it, it will still be reliable. Impressive, but I don't do that, so it's not compelling for me.

The USPc point above is a good valid point, and a good way to carry. Others prefer a long initial DA pull to provide an extra margin of safety. That's what I've decided for myself (Sig DA/SA). Others are completely comfortable using a striker fired pistol with no other safties (not counting internal safties). Some like a 1911 SAO w/safety. I sometimes carry a Kahr P9, which is striker fired with no safety, but with a looonnnggg pull. Not saying it's better - it's 100% personal preference. Whether Glock or Sig is "better" just isn't framing the question properly. Comparing Sig & CZ, valid, comparing Glock & XD, valid. Comparing Sig & Glock just doesn't make sense to me, unless you really narrow the comparison - like which is more [fill in blank here - accurate, reliable, etc.]. Which one is "better" overall includes too many subjective variables for us internet kibitzers to answer intelligently except as to our own preference. For ME Sig is better than Glock and worth the extra money, but I would never suggest that as being true for everyone.
 
Comparing Sig & Glock just doesn't make sense to me, unless you really narrow the comparison - like which is more [fill in blank here - accurate, reliable, etc.]. Which one is "better" overall includes too many subjective variables for us internet kibitzers to answer intelligently except as to our own preference. For ME Sig is better than Glock and worth the extra money, but I would never suggest that as being true for everyone.
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I disagree with you on this one.

The comparison between a Glock and a Sig is 100% do able.

Glock is lighter, Glock is cheaper, Glock is polymer, Glock has a lower bore axis, Glock has fewer moving parts, Glock's reliability is second to none. Glock has a better finish. Unsupported chamber in some calibers. Glock is DOA striker fire only etc...

Sig is stainless steel slide with a alloy metal frame. Sig is heavier. Sig has a higher bore axis. Supported chamber, Nitron finish is just okay, Sig blue finish is lousy. Sig has traditional rifling in it bore. Sigs come in DOA, DA/SA, SAO

These are facts. They are all valid points of comparison. They are facts. They are not subjective. Your feelings about one or the other or the reality that one works better for you is subjective but a comparison is not subjective at all.
 
I disagree with you on this one.

The comparison between a Glock and a Sig is 100% do able.
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Well, assuming I tell you that I prefer a DA/SA action, or to carry C&L w/safety, or the option of either a la USPc, which Glock do you recommend?

You kind of pulled my words out of context - my point was that picking the operation of the gun is paramount, and should be done before any brand comparison makes sense.

I explicitly said that on individual elements, comparisons could be made, but if one doesn't want a striker-fired, no-safety gun, the Glocks are not a good choice. Would you agree with that? Their weight, reliability, finish, etc. are all irrelevant at that point.
 
I have both. I carry both. Both Glock and SIG function well for the purposes of defense and gun games.

However...SIG has yet to come out with a very compact 9mm pistol. SIG's P220 is excellent, but large (not as large as Glock's Model 20/21, which is shorter than the XD 45). For a 45, I prefer the P220, but for 9mm CCW...a Glock 26 and 19 combo is really difficult to beat. Even the XD is a bit bulky...though S&W M&Ps are putting some heat on Glock.
 
'Is the SIG worth it?'... Don't know, depends on YOU! Have a bunch of CZs and several months ago bought a Sig P-229 (9mm)... Excellent gun, excellent shoot (nice recoil and VERY accurate), fits my hand perfect, like the looks, built like a Tank, and I really, really like it!! I think coronach made one of the key replies when he asked... 'Do you shoot it well'... 'Do you like the way the Gun shoots?' It kinda has to start right there...forget all the marketing hype, the fan clubs, the gun's history, etc... Does it fit right in YOUR hand and do you like the way it shoots?'... Then, again as C said, RENT THE GUN AND SHOOT IT!!! You gotta be 'nuts' to spend $800 on 'hype and BS'... SHOOT IT (put in 100-200rnds), then you'll know if you 'love it' enough to spend that money!! If you like the shoot (and wanna drop the $700-800), SIG's a great company, that makes a super-quality product and totally stands by it...
as ZeS said "If you can get a NIB Sig for $650, get it"! If you can get that NIB price, it makes it sweeter!
After reading this yesterday, went out to the range with my SIG-229 and my CZ P-01... 150 rnds later, nothing has changed for ME!... I would take that CZ over the SIG anytime... Fits better, shoots better, feels better, and I'm about $250 'richer'... but again, that's ME!
 
Sure I personally own no striker firing pistols.

I did not take your statement out of context at all. In fact I think what I am saying is that without these valid points of objective comparison how would a new shooter know that they like a Glock action over a DA/SA.

Your original statements assumes too much knowledge.

I personally can shoot anything you give me. I don't prefer Glocks but I can shoot almost as well with a Glock 19 as I can with my P228. I personal preference is BHP and 1911 but that does not mean I can't get business done with the S&W 642 in my pocket. My point is that you don't have to pick just one action. You don't restrict yourself to one so why are you advising others to?
 
'Is the SIG worth it?'... Don't know, depends on YOU! Have a bunch of CZs and several months ago bought a Sig P-229 (9mm)... Excellent gun, excellent shoot (nice recoil and VERY accurate), fits my hand perfect, like the looks, built like a Tank, and I really, really like it!! I think coronach made one of the key replies when he asked... 'Do you shoot it well'... 'Do you like the way the Gun shoots?' It kinda has to start right there...forget all the marketing hype, the fan clubs, the gun's history, etc... Does it fit right in YOUR hand and do you like the way it shoots?'... Then, again as C said, RENT THE GUN AND SHOOT IT!!! You gotta be 'nuts' to spend $800 on 'hype and BS'... SHOOT IT (put in 100-200rnds), then you'll know if you 'love it' enough to spend that money!! If you like the shoot (and wanna drop the $700-800), SIG's a great company, that makes a super-quality product and totally stands by it...
as ZeS said "If you can get a NIB Sig for $650, get it"! If you can get that NIB price, it makes it sweeter!
After reading this yesterday, went out to the range with my SIG-229 and my CZ P-01... 150 rnds later, nothing has changed for ME!... I would take that CZ over the SIG anytime... Fits better, shoots better, feels better, and I'm about $250 'richer'... but again, that's ME!
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Just hope you never have to sell that P01 because it is a dog used. You would be lucky to get $400 for it.

I also do not think renting is always all it is cracked up to be. It is often expensive unless you are on good terms with the range. They are not always the best maintained guns. I have never shot a range gun that was in as good condition as any of my personal pistols. Plus often times it takes more than one session to know if a gun is right for you. I owned a 75B which had a dream trigger and seemed to fit me. Shot it several times with decent performance but one day after about 100 rounds I noticed I was always changing my grip to shoot it properly. The sweet trigger was compensating for this non-standard hold so the groups were okay but I realized this thing just does not fit me. I sold it here on THR and the owner ribs me all the time that I cannot have it back. I did not come to this conclusion until after about 300+ rounds and 6 months of ownership.

To me the issue with the OP questions is that Sigs are not worth $800. Now it might be worth $650 but that is up to you. I have never paid more than $600 for a stock Sig. Everyone I have ever owned and then sold I did not loose a penny on. Every single time I get what I paid because I shop smart and buy cheap and sell cheap. A well taken care of Sig will hold its value better than most gun except maybe for Colt.

Yeah I know never sell your guns but that is BS. Sometimes you have to or just want to. They are only hunks of metal, and sometimes plastic, after all.
 
If you like Glock - Glock is hard to beat!

[F]or 9mm CCW...a Glock 26 and 19 combo is really difficult to beat.
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Assuming you like Glock, I don't dispute that a bit! I've had 2 Glocks - most recently a 26 - and just couldn't like them, despite my best efforts. :eek: Honestly I bought them because the LEO discount was so strong. I got both Glocks for $398 each.

I dumped the Glock 26 for a Sig P239 and as for both shooting it and carrying it, I like the 239 MUCH better, mostly because I personally prefer the DA/SA action.

Of course the 239 wouldn't feed hollowpoints, and so 6 days after buying it NEW for $750, it's back at the factory. Go Sig!! :banghead:

I shop smart and buy cheap and sell cheap
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I'm making fun of myself about the $750 I paid - please don't pile on about that - if the thing runs like a Sig should when it gets back, I don't really care about the money.

My point is that you don't have to pick just one action. You don't restrict yourself to one so why are you advising others to?
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You are right - excellent point. I think I'm projecting too much of my own bias. I have shot for 25+ years, but only carried for 1. I went through a lot of angst deciding what was best for me for CCW. I found over time that I personally despise the Glock safe-action system, for me - trigger pull too light, and too short. I strongly prefer the DAO j-frame and the DA/SA Sig. I make allowances for an LCP because there is nothing like it size-wise, and the trigger is still longer and firmer than a Glock. I have a Kahr that was received in trade for the Glock, so I shouldn't count that, as I'll probably sell it. Having said that, the trigger is much closer to having a DAO feel than Glock, IMO.

Having a billion guns for the range is cool, I just think, and this is where I probably took the thread way off track, when deciding what to carry, the action one is comfortable using is a big consideration, and should be decided WAY before brand. I loved many things about Glock, but not a couple deal-breaking things, so the gun was useless to me for carrying.
 
Man I cannot believe that your P239 did not feed hollow points. I have never heard that one. They will polish the feed ramp. Check it our carefully because sometimes they take too much off IMO. If they do demand a new barrel.

I am not knocking what you paid. I count myself lucky. These days I am not shopping for carry guns or defense guns so I can shop smart and be patient. Nothing I have to have this minute.

These days Buds gun shop is a great place to get deals on Sigs. They have become a clearing house for Sig overstocks and closeouts. Lots of NIB Sigs for under $600.

If you are looking for a 9mm the Sig Pro Sp2022s that are selling for $459 are a steal with 3 mags, all German manufacturing with proof marks and Ifalon finish which is much better than Nitron. The triggers on these are incredible. No camming in DA and a slick SA.

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Check it our carefully because sometimes they take too much off IMO. If they do demand a new barrel.
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Not to continue to take this thread off track, as I already have, but how on earth will I know if they took too much off?

My plan was to run 500rds (at least 200 of it my SD hollowpoints) through, and if it runs perfect, I'll be happy. If it jams, I will take it back to the store and they will give me my money back. They don't know that yet, of course, but I think the consumer protection statutes are on my side. ;)

Being a lawyer sucks 98% of the time, but every once in a while it pays off...

These days Buds gun shop is a great place to get deals on Sigs.
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If mine gets fixed, I'm not in the market for another. If it still doesn't feed, I probably won't get another Sig... Buds had my gun for 705 with 2 mags IIRC. I got 3 mags and the Sig branded Serpa holster. It was by no measure a steal, but I didn't get raped. It was $849 retail, with LEO discount $756.
 
Back to the OP - Sig Sauer. Is it worth the $$

If you shoot it well, and it fits your needs and you can afford to buy one - then yes.

It all comes down to individual preference and how a particular gun shoots for a particular person.

There are many guns out there that will go bang when you pull the trigger (and some that go KABOOM - Glock :neener: :neener: sorry - I couldn't resist).

Try a bunch of them and buy the one that you like and can shoot the best.
 
rella... you make a couple of real good points, but I kinda disagree with you alittle. The 'used' gun market is always difficult and very few guns EXCEPT the SIG (maybe H&K) maintain their value. There's a tremendous SIG following (and rightfully so) that always supports prices (even with the Sig-CPO guns) and that's good. YOU may find this hard to believe, but alot of 'gunners' buy quality guns they like, and DO really KEEP 'EM!... I still have a 6" .357 S&W from 1980, a Ruger Mark II from '85, etc... I've been fortunate to never have-to sell any guns.. So I try to buy QUALITY, enjoy 'em and Keep 'Em Forever! Never had to sell a CZ, but I NEVER saw a used P-01 for UNDER $400... love to have seen one!
Regarding SHOOTING A GUN FIRST... Agreed, rental guns are usually NOT in the BEST condition but they can give you a good 'feel' and a pretty good indication of what to expect. You would have to be a semi-moron to spend $800 on a gun based on what the 'cheerleaders' are telling you! SHOOT IT, then become a cheerleader!!
Regarding the Sig-2022, totally agree with you... one helluva deal for $460... and a great way to get inot a Sig!!
 
I tried to sell a P01 here for $475 with a High noon holster and no takers. Finally sold the holster and kept the gun. Never got an offer over $400 for the gun itself.

Wife wanted to keep it anyway.

You forgot Colt on the list of high resale value. Better than Sig or HK. I keep most of my guns. Others are simpy a dime a dozen. If you sell a Sig P239 you can buy the same gun 1 year later at the same or lower price. Things like the P228 or P225 are different because they are not made or imported anymore. Those are keepers. Others go in and out of the rotation.

I think the real issue with Sig these days is that they have gone for volume over craftsmanship these days. They have grown from abut 80 employees to over 300 in the past 2 years and it shows in the products. They need to get back to old school German QC or they will loose their reputation.

Don't get me wrong I am a Sig fan. It kills me that the new product is not the same as the old. I wish it was just in my mind but I got hit will a bad CPO P220 SAS recently which Sig fixed and I sold.

I had never had problem with a Sig before that and in the end it was not the issue as much as the company I took issues with. From the top down to the CSRs Sig thinks their **** does not stink.
 
rella... think about it, aren't you now a much happier person now that you didn't (couldn't) sell that P-01!... What do they call it 'karma' or 'fate', or something like that!
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If you like them they're worth the extra money. It's my opinion that for a DA/SA style pistol, Sig's are one of the best. CZs are cheaper, but I haven't personally felt a CZ trigger that comes close to my P226's trigger, and I've shot quite a few now. So my personal bias would be that while CZs are perfectly nice guns, they are not on par with a Sig. I haven't shot enough HKs to pass a judgement, although I liked the one that I shot.

Glocks are less expensive, but great weapons. If you like the trigger on a Glock, I'd say get a Glock. The only reason I hesitate on getting a Glock is that the trigger is so different from the DA/SA Sig trigger. While I'm sure I can get used to it, I still prefer the DA/SA Sig trigger. As a result Sig's are worth the extra money for me.

I also think that the Sig QC issue is totally over blown. While I think it has lowered as of late, I think all the internet banter about it makes it seem like Sig is putting HiPoints in the blue boxes now. While the occurrence of marred or problem Sigs has increased, I think the vast majority are still very fine weapons. But that viewpoint may be colored by my feelings that the internet mostly brings out the complainers and makes pretty much any little problem seem overblown. Just ask about the Walther P22 on this board, and you'll see what I mean. :)

Oh yea, big +1 on the German SP2022. I checked one out that SCP Firearms had, and they're SWEET. Oh, if I only had the extra flow....
 
Sigs and Glocks are my favorites. For .40 S&W I prefer Sigs, have two, a 226 and 226ST on the way. Glocks are best in .45, in my opinion. G21SF is probably the ultimate self defense handgun. Glocks have a better finish, cheaper, less parts, hold more rounds and are more reliable when neglected (dirty, no oil, etc). Sigs are more accurate (for most people), thinner grip, have more trigger system options.
 
Go for the sig. You won't be disappointed. You might as well get a used one because there's not much you can do to those guns that will make them jam once every thousand rounds! Besides the don't feel like a f*ing block of wood in your hand (glocks!)

They are accurate but it takes time to learn how to shoot them. I notice this more with sigs than any others. However like i said before if you do learn how to shoot them well, they won't disappoint you!
 
I'm thinking about getting a Sig as well. A p220. I saw one that is a bit older from either germany or west germany without light rails for about 440$. They also had a certified pre owned with rails (stainless) for 640$. Given some of the concern raised about the CPOs from sig, I am more inclined to go with the older used 220. What do you all think? Are those good prices?
 
I'm thinking about getting a Sig as well. A p220. I saw one that is a bit older from either germany or west germany without light rails for about 440$. They also had a certified pre owned with rails (stainless) for 640$. Given some of the concern raised about the CPOs from sig, I am more inclined to go with the older used 220. What do you all think? Are those good prices?
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I think ya should go with the older P220n/r one, definitely will hold more resale value up the years IMO.

Price seems good.. But ya might want to wait until the SIG (CPO a/o 220R) Blaster, errr.. Master, chimes in with his thoughts.. ;)


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I am a former Sig owner. I had the 226 Sport Stock and the 220 Sport Stock. The 226 is German built and considered by many on the Sig Forum to be the best Sig built other than the 210. I had zero malfunctions with tens of thousands of rounds through the 226, and thousands through the 220.

I also have a CZ75BD and a BHP. Both fit my hand better, neither has even close to the trigger on the 226.

Once I started shooting 1911s I realized that the Sig grips were a bit big for my hands. I sold both to finance a Les Baer 9mm PII. Did I make the right choice? For me yes, for many, no. If my hands were just a bit bigger I would still be a Sig owner.
 
You're going to get a lot of subjective feedback when you ask a question like this. Just keep that in mind.

The first handgun that I owned was (and still is - I still have it) a Sig. A two-tone P229 with a .40 barrel. It was a CPO model that I bought at a gun show for $550 - came with two mags, the CPO (red) box, all of the manuals and documentation and whatnot, and brand new night sights that. Mind you, I didn't know much about the Sig line at the time - I was going on my uncle's feedback and brand recommendations (Glock, S&W, Sig - Sig being his favorite) and simply chose the one that felt most comfortable in my hand. I also wanted a larger caliber, and the .40 fit the bill. Also, this was well before I was into collecting, so I figured there was a good chance the gun I purchased would be my only gun, and I wasn't concerned about spending a little extra cash to get a "good" one.

My buddy was with me, and he also purchased his first handgun (HK USP compact in .40).

I'd been shooting before - mostly rifles, some handgun - but I'd never shot a Sig. In that sense, I took a risk...and got very lucky. To begin with, the gun that I purchased was a very early production model with a German made frame. So early, in fact, that the barrel even has a matching serial (rare for the P229, from what I hear). Despite this, it was in meticulous shape. Most importantly, however, I went shooting with aforementioned friend and after putting about 300 rounds through each of our pistols, we unanimously agreed that my Sig was a much better choice - both fed reliably, but the Sig's DA/SA trigger was much better than the DAO trigger of the USP and we were both turning in remarkably tight groups on a 10 meter range despite being handgun novices. I felt vindicated, and he traded his USP on a Sig of his own. There isn't much more to say than that.

I've bought and sold numerous pistols since then, but that P229 is still with me. It's the one gun I would trust and depend on in a self defense situation - because I shoot it well and because I know it will absolutely fire when it has to. My only regret was in choosing a gun chambered for .40 - if I could do it all over again, I'd have picked up a P228 (9mm) instead. The P229 is the same gun (same grip/internals) as the P228, though slightly heavier thanks to the beefed up (milled) slide. The .40 is a bit snappy and a touch expensive to shoot.

This all said - what works for me won't necessarily work for you or anybody else. You can buy a gun that will do the job (e.g. Glock or XD) for less money. I have nothing against Glock from an objective standpoint - they're accurate and they work, though I don't like the way they look and they just don't really seem to have any "soul." I liken it to the difference between BMW and Lexus - both are respected names, but is the premium for one worth it? That's up to you to decide.
 
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