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sig sauer still good gun?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Kangspec, Dec 1, 2009.

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  1. Kangspec

    Kangspec Well-Known Member

    Well, this model scream buy me!!! buy me!!! <sig sauer dark elite>

    I read/heard sig saure's quality control has been down. Does this effect on all new models? or some?
  2. Jed Carter

    Jed Carter Well-Known Member

    I own 5 SIGs all have been flawless in operation, for every person that screams about how bad a gun (any gun) is, there are 10 that silently enjoy their firearms. Of all my guns I have only had issues with the .22lr auto pistols and rifles, .22lr ammo limitations. Get a SIG P226 box stock with night sights and no rail and you will have a pistol to bet your life on, and win. I have not and probably will not get a "custom" SIG, a beaver tail on a SIG is just not right. IMHO.
  3. JohnBT

    JohnBT Well-Known Member

    I recently bought my first SIG and have been doing a lot of reading on line, especially old posts at sigforum. The issue seems to be that for many, many years SIGs were near perfect out of the box (except for the rust problem), but for the past few years they've turned out a few problem guns here and there. I guess they're human after all.

    Then there's the whole Germany vs. USA thing and the new owners and the plant in NH and what the customer service is like compared to the good old days, etc.

    Buy the gun if you like it. :)

    I like the beavertail on my X-5 Tac. It's a pretty big gun and the beavertail fits right in with all that black and the threaded barrel.

  4. kurt1305

    kurt1305 Well-Known Member

    I've purchased two in the last year (a P226 and P239) to keep my P220 company. All have fired several hundred rounds with no stoppages, misfires or problems of any sort. Accuracy is superb and they show no signs of any abnormal wear. My new Colt Commander, on the other hand, fails to chamber the last round a good percentage of the time with either the Colt or Wilson Combat magazines. Still working that one out.
  5. wojownik

    wojownik Well-Known Member

    I have the following, and so far can report no malfunctions/FTF/FTE or any other issue. All have been very, very accurate out of the box.

    P220 (Exeter) - bought NIB earlier this year. No issues, though there seems to be something I can't pin down that makes my P220 "seem/feel" different from my older Sigs. I have to double check, but IIRC, this came with a plastic guide rod (the others are steel), which is something I meant to replace a while ago.

    P6 (P225) (Germany) - no issues - have two of these and both are fantastic.

    P226 (Germany) - I had some reliability issues when I ran this pistol very, very dirty. So, that does not really count as a malfuntion with the pistol, rather a malfunction with the user :eek:

    P228 (Germany) - no issues

    P229 (Exeter) - no issues
  6. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

    That's what I want to know. The wife wants a P238 and I wouldn't have a huge problem with a gun that needed a little nudging to get onto its feet, if it wasn't perfect out of the box, but if they are going to be jerks about correcting their mistakes, I'll tell the wife to keep looking for .380s.

    Any of you ever dealt with their warranty service?
  7. Lonestar49

    Lonestar49 Well-Known Member

    First class service IMO


    Yes.. :)

    Be it warranty, or parts, their CS is fast, friendly, polite, and they seem happy, proud, professional, about their job taking care of their customers, "with needs".

    Warranty repairs are done correctly and in good time..

    Parts (in stock) are picked and shipped within the week.

    It's nice knowing that not only are you buying a "good/great gun" but you're also getting a good/great CS dept to back it, them, up, as well


  8. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

    i've had very good lucky with their customer service in the past. i got a chance to meet the head of CS a couple of years ago at the SHOT show and we had a meeting of the minds.

    i've found they are really interested in trying to solve problems, but you have to remember that their service is a product of the information the have in front of them...they aren't techs. their biggest complaint are when folks call demanding something based on what they read/heard on the internet rather than an actual problem.

    CoRoMo - i would suggest your wife keep looking for a better option
  9. blue_ridge

    blue_ridge Well-Known Member

    I own a 226 Elite and it is the best pistol I've ever owned (including Colt Delta Elite, Springfield Operator, Kimber CDP Pro II, Glock 30, Gock 23, Glock 22, Para Carry and others)

    I am now plotting my next Sig purchase, possibly a P228, P225 or P239. These are amazing guns inside and out for reliability and accuracy.
  10. Lonestar49

    Lonestar49 Well-Known Member



    Don't rule-out a Sig P229/40/9mm.. ;)

    Ls :)
  11. ny32182

    ny32182 Well-Known Member

    I used to be a big Sig fan, but I am currently down to 3: P228, P229ST, and P226/.40/non-rail model. I am likely to sell the 226 at some point this month; it is a good gun, just doesn't fit well in my collection right now.

    I don't think I went anywhere; my opinion is that Sig left me when they shifted from focusing on building no-BS, top quality carry guns, to focusing on building all their same models, but adding beavertails, weird colors, "Blackwater" grips, Equinox-that, rounded edges-this, "tactical" editions... basically any gimmick they could dream up to sell the same pistol with less QC for $400 more markup.

    Plus the 556 turned out to not be what I wanted.

    So, I like my "old style" Sigs, consider them classics, and don't intend to ever sell the 228 or 229ST, but I can't forsee ever buying a current model unless the company gets back on track. But even if they do... I switched to Glocks in 2006 and haven't looked back; I've found they are perfect for my purposes.

    Also, I know a few internet postings don't speak for everyone, but I've read enough poor QC, and customer service horror stories in the last year to give me pause. I only had to deal with Sig QC once. I had an SP2022 with some funny marks on top of the barrel. Sig gave me a shipping label with no problem and turned it around quickly, but all they did was polish the marks a little; they were reduced, but still there. They were cosmetic; it was a carry pistol, so I let it drop. I'd have been less amused if it had been a high dollar X5 or something. I also had intermittent failures to lock open on an empty mag with that SP2022 that I was never able to fully resolve even after replacing the spring and polishing all the contact surfaces on the slide catch. All my other Sigs always functioned perfectly.
  12. KBintheSLC

    KBintheSLC Well-Known Member

    I have been happy with mine... 239 circa 2000, and a 226 circa 2008. Both work well and are machined with care. I think the "1 mag only" deal is pretty lousy, so I would likely only buy a used one until they go back to 2 or 3 mags per gun. Honestly, I have a hard time justifying a Sig anymore in price. For $200 less I can get a Glock/M&P/XDm/etc that is just as functional and will likely survive a much higher round count.

    I have to admit, the new 238 is calling out to me lately.
  13. JohnBT

    JohnBT Well-Known Member

    Just the other day I read that they've ended the one mag policy. John
  14. Coltman 77

    Coltman 77 member

    New Sig P220

    I recently purchased a P220. It has been very impressive; accurate and uber reliable.

    After 700 rds of assorted ammo I've had zero failures.

    Fit, finish and overall quality are excellent. I'm very pleased with my new Sig. :D
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2009
  15. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I'd rather she not carry a .380 at all. I looked at a P238 with the nitron finish earlier today. The finish on the safety had been rubbed right off, down to bare metal, by whatever number of people had handled that pistol. That didn't impress me.
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2009
  16. Water-Man

    Water-Man Well-Known Member

    I can only speak of the quality of the P226 and P220. They are both great pistols. Accurate and dependable.
  17. Curare

    Curare Well-Known Member

    I handled a P238 yesterday. The fit and finish was OUTSTANDING. For a half second I though about buying it just because of how cute and perfectly finished it was. It had jewelery quality fit and finish.

    For a few years I noticed really spotty fit and finish on SIG firearms.
  18. MM60

    MM60 member

    Two weeks ago I sold my Glock 19 and some misc. parts in order to do what I did this afternoon: I used the money to purchase a brand new Sig P239 .40S&W concealed carry package on GunBroker.com! It includes the P239 pistol with Siglite Night Sights, three magazines, Sig paddle holster, and Sig magazine paddle holster. The entire package cost me $675 plus $25 for shipping. Other sellers are offering the same package starting at $750 + $30 for shipping, and some are selling only the pistol and two mags for as much as $800 + $35 for shipping! I'll be looking forward to picking up this great bargain from my dealer next week or so!

    I already have the Sig P226 Navy model and it works flawlessly. I also have the Sig 22lr. conversion kit for it, but the ammo sometimes causes the conversion to malfunction. I got the P239 to replace the P226 as my main CCW because the P226 is somewhat bulky and it's often uncomfortable to wear while sitting. The P226 will be reserved for tactical situations once the P239 arrives. I wish Sig made a P239 22lr. conversion kit!

    Sig makes some of the best handguns in existence. Their quality is exellent, their designs are ergonomically pleasing, and their DA/SA trigger is very crisp. Get yourself a Sig - you won't be disappointed!

    And don't waste your money by overpaying at a store - look for a good deal on GunBroker.com!
  19. rhinoh

    rhinoh Well-Known Member

    Only the slide is Nitron coated. The frame is anodized aluminum and I'm not sure what the safety and the slide lock levers are finished with but they don't look like Nitron to me.
    I wouldn't worry about the finish off the safety lever, heck a display gun may have had that safety flicked more than yours would in a lifetime. It does have a rather satisfying click, particularly when disengaged. It just begs to be clicked on and off.
    You asked about warranty experience- Well 2 of my 3 mags for my P238 weren't right, Sig replaced them in advance of me sending the old ones back at their expense.
    Then last week I discovered I had the wrong rear night sight on mine, was an 8 supposed to be a 6, now I know why it shot high, called them up and they sent me a 6 with no request for the 8 to even be returned, now thats amazing because a rear night sight is what $50 or so? They probably figured they couldn't reuse it if I returned it since it would probably be a little buggered up from me driving it off. BTW I'll never do that again, I now have a universal sight pusher on the way. I really didn't enjoy hammering away on a drift on my little P238 slide....

    Now don't take any of this as defending Sig, they highly pissed me off a couple of years ago on some free gear offers they had, they screwed that program up enormously and I was to the point I was never going to give them another dollar, but then the P238 came out...sigh:cool:

    PS I have a German P228 and P220 Carry, love them both and never a problem with either.
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2009
  20. KBintheSLC

    KBintheSLC Well-Known Member

    Yeah... I just handled one for the first time this morning. Loved it... right away. One of the coolest little guns I have seen in a long time. I don't even really care much for 1911's or SAO in general, but it hooked me. They had the stainless finish with aluminum grips and factory night sights for about $460. I will be breaking open the piggy bank soon.
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