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SKS Accuracy... Dang...

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by The_Armed_Therapist, Mar 7, 2013.

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  1. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Pretty much sums up my SKS attitude. :D
  2. The_Armed_Therapist

    The_Armed_Therapist Well-Known Member

    For me, the Tech Sights need no introduction. I bought them for my Ruger 10/22, and I absolutely love them. However, even the Tech Sights won't tighten 12"+ groups down to 6" or smaller. LOL... I don't want to purchase the tech sights for a 12MOA rifle. If some of these other things can give me some reasonable assurance that my SKS can get to decent form, then I'll certainly get the sights.
  3. Cee Zee

    Cee Zee member

    By FAR the best thing you can do to make an SKS more accurate is to have a really qualified person fix the trigger. There is one person that is famous around the world for doing this. He goes by the screen name of Kivaari. His real name is Tom Prince. You can find him on this web page:


    Send him your trigger and almost certainly your groups will shrink substantially. SKS triggers are all over the place as they come from the factory because it takes some real expertise to get them right. And they wanted to build them fast instead of getting them right. So now some of the triggers are ok but most aren't.

    I sent my Norinco trigger to him. It cut my group size in half at 100 yards. I was getting 6" groups and now I get 3" groups but those are off hand groups. IMO that's the only good way to shoot an SKS so I have never really practiced shooting from any sort of a rest. I am sure I could get the groups down even smaller if I did practice shooting from a rest.

    It's not real cheap to get a Kivaari trigger job but it isn't real expensive either. It is well worth the price you will pay. Other people also fix triggers but Tom has specialized in SKS triggers for decades. It was about 15 years ago that he fixed mine I think. It's been so long I'm not really sure just how long ago it was. I know I would do it again in a heart beat and I am about to do it again on the Yugo I bought.

    Other considerations include exactly what type of SKS you have, how hard it's been treated, and whether it is just plain shot out. Those rounds can really heat up a barrel if you shoot enough of them real quick and heat can ruin a barrel. But most SKS's shoot better than people think IMO. I can easily shoot 1" targets at 50 to 75 yards with mine shooting off hand. I could have shot better groups at 100 yards a few years ago when my eyes were better too.
  4. okiewita40

    okiewita40 Well-Known Member

    My norinco will shoot 2-3 moa using 125 SilverBear SP ammo. Not saying all Norinco's are like this or even SKS' for that matter. I guess I just got a good one. Try changing ammo and see if it helps.

    I know my rifle fits very tight in the wood stock so that may have something to do with it.
  5. PonyKiller

    PonyKiller Well-Known Member

    ours is ammo accurate as well, it's a norinco. with the irons at 100 the strait surplus stuff was about six inches, wolf about 5, brown bear in the same range, silver bear about 4. didn't like the golden tiger at all. Winchester fmj was by far the best, with elbows on the bench i was consistently in the 2.5-3" range, which i was pretty darned inmpressed with. Best group i ever fired was just a smidge more than, 2" and worst was right at 3". The drawback is it's not plinking ammo at 18 bucks a box.

    I tested the trigger with a fishing scale, not the most scientific method but hey, it's what i got. the initial draw was about 5.5lbs, followed by 1.5lbs in the dead spot, and picks up at 6.5lbs right before it fires. Not what you call consistent but it's pedictable.

    Unfortunately pop can't see for crap anymore, hooked him up with a scout style scope. we'll see how that works out next time at the range.
  6. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    Tightened mine. Guess thats just me then. Found that I could focus more on the front sight rather than trying to line up a notch in the rear.

    Immediately more accurate, but my SKS has been MUCH better than 12 MOA from the get go. Tech sights made it tighter, and better long range.

    But, you knew that.
  7. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Well, it helps to be a good DA revolver shooter when you fire these things. :rolleyes: Crappy ain't the word for the trigger on my Carbine, but I picked out my rifle for its trigger, one of the crisp ones. I used to order these things (had an FFL) and put them on football pots at work. I found that about 1 out of 10 had a decent trigger. These were all Norincos. I KEPT one of the ones that had the good trigger and it's a pretty good shooter. Actually, even the paratrooper is a good shooter once you get used to the DA trigger pull. Both will group Norinco or Wolf surplus into 3" at 100 yards. They're not ammo picky at all, though they do seem to prefer 154 Wolf soft point, shaves about a half inch off those groups. I have fired and killed two deer with my own reloads, but never bought any of the commercial ammo.
  8. jim243

    jim243 Well-Known Member

    Actually it is an ammo problem. The SKS was made with .310, .311 & .312 barrels. You need to know what your barrel is to get the right ammo or just try out a lot.

    When I first got my Yugo I tried Wolf 7.62x39 and was getting 6 inch groups with open sights at 50 yards (12 inch at 100). Change over to my handloads using 125 grain .310 bullets and started getting 2 inch groups at 50 yards.

    Once you find the right ammo, keep using it.
  9. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    My handloads shot 3.5" at 100 yards with a .308" bullet out of my .311" Norinco, specifically the now discontinued Sierra Pro Hunter .308" 135 grain pistol bullet designed for hunting with .30-30 and .30 Herret Contenders. I used that bullet on two deer, worked great. One was a neck/frontal shot at 80 yards. I don't buy it being an ammo problem either when it's shooting 12MOA. I'd toss it and try something else, myself, or get it looked over by a good riflesmith, if you can find one that'll work on it.

    I've never fired the SKS that wouldn't shoot at LEAST 4MOA at 100 yards, but all I've ever fired were Norincos. They were plentiful and cheap 20 years ago. :D
  10. frankenstein406

    frankenstein406 Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure the stock rear sight moving side to side is one of the problems, but 300 yards with irons on a man size target is pretty good.
  11. The_Armed_Therapist

    The_Armed_Therapist Well-Known Member

    I know it will help the groups; it did with my 10/22. I'm just saying that I'm very skeptical that they can make up the difference between 12MOA or greater groups and 6MOA or smaller groups.
  12. newfalguy101

    newfalguy101 Well-Known Member

    Try Wolf 154gr softpoints.
  13. Dr T

    Dr T Well-Known Member

    There were some manufacturing issues with some of the Norincos.

    I have a pre-Norinco Chinese SKS that will shoot about 2 to 3 inches at 100 yards with ball.
  14. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Well-Known Member

    The fully-adjustable version of the Tech Sights on my Norinco SKS made it much more accurate.
    Removing the original rear leaf sight only required a bit of muscle.

    The day my Norinco somehow gets worn out, it will be replaced with another SKS. End of story.
  15. trueg50

    trueg50 Well-Known Member

    Look at what we go through to clean and maintain our SKS.. then imagine what the NVA were doing. Given how well my SKS shoots, it is my go-to rifle!

    Bob Dunlap was discussing a vietnamese SKS that was captured, and on the gas rod the first ring was half gone, and the rest of the rings were scalloped, yet it still shot fine.. now how many rifles made today could survive that? Granted I will never ever intentionally treat a rifle like that, but it is capable of taking a licking and keep on ticking.
  16. The_Armed_Therapist

    The_Armed_Therapist Well-Known Member

    I took the SKS apart to clean it, though I haven't actually cleaned it yet. I checked all of the parts; and while I'm not expert, I don't believe any of them are broken or majorly damaged. The rear sight does not move or wobble in any way, nor does the stock. I also don't see any obvious damage on the crown. The rifling looks OK, too, but then again I'm not expert. I can see it clearly, and that's all I have to go on.

    How do I measure the bore to know if the ammo I'm using is large enough for optimal accuracy? The difference between .308 and .311 seems awfully small to measure accurately...
  17. joeschmoe

    joeschmoe Well-Known Member

    Insert a round into the muzzle end of the barrel. It should be a tight fit. Try inserting various ammo types see which one give you a tight fit. Preferable it won't go all the way into the brass. It should stand out a bit, but accept the whole point. You want tight, but not too tight.

    Last edited: Mar 10, 2013
  18. The_Armed_Therapist

    The_Armed_Therapist Well-Known Member

    I have three types of ammo currently in my possession. Tulammo FMJ, Tulammo HP, and some stuff marked NK (backwards Russian N) 1971. Sorry I don't have any pictures, but both of the Tulammo stuff sticks out further than the NK stuff.
  19. The_Armed_Therapist

    The_Armed_Therapist Well-Known Member

    I found one thing that I'm wondering about. Is there supposed to be a "crack" or a hole of some kind at the gas cylinder front bracket? I guess since the piston needs some kind of force to operate, that this could be integral to the gun. When I held up the barrel to the sun, I saw what looked like a crack right around that spot. Is that normal?

    The rifle wasn't as dirty as I thought it would be. It was more dirty from former use than recent use. I got it about 6 years ago, and have used it very sparingly (mostly just in the past year). The former owner is a friend of mine, and I imagine he probably cleaned it frequently. So I'm left not any more sure than I was before, except that I ruled some stuff out. Nothing wobbles, including the stock and sights, nothing seems broken. The crown seems OK, etc...

    Next time I go I'll be sure to try some different types of ammo and see if these groups can tighten up. I'm also going to go back through this thread and read all of the suggestions and see if I missed anything that I can try right now before I go back to the range.

    Thanks for the help,

  20. The_Armed_Therapist

    The_Armed_Therapist Well-Known Member

    What should the bedding of an SKS look like? I honestly didn't see anything that I could call bedding. Is this a path worth pursuing to help tighten up my groups?
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