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SKS mods, illegal?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Rebel2345, Aug 20, 2006.

  1. Rebel2345

    Rebel2345 Well-Known Member

    I read that modifying the SKS, by way of replacing the stock with a pistol grip stock or thumbthrough stock, is illegal. Is this nation wide? I live in Michigan, so I read the Michigan gun laws word for word, and nothing is mentioned of this really.

    I read another article about how if you take off the bayonet, grenade launcher, and all things that would make it illegal beyond the Curios & Relics act, that it isnt anymore?

    Could anyone clear this up for me?
  2. lucky_fool

    lucky_fool Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the tangled web of firearms laws.

    It really depends on the mods you're planning on, since some of the legal issues are different for imported or US-made guns. The funny thing is that you can swap out certain parts and turn your imported SKS into a US-made one (at least as far as the atf is concerned, anyway. Didn't know you were a magician, did you?

    Check out http://www.simonov.net/10orlessrule.htm for more info.
  3. railroader

    railroader Well-Known Member

  4. Lupinus

    Lupinus Well-Known Member

    in general, no so long as the length stays within legal limits. Take note that can easily change though based on local laws but as far as federal goes modifying in of itself isn't illegal.

    What it will do however is automatically no longer make an SKS (or any other otherwise elidgable firearm) a C&R firearm. Unless the modification remains in certian specifications modifying it takes it out of C&R land, not sure if that is of importance to you but if it is might be something to consider.
  5. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    To simplify everything, it is illegal to put a folding stock on a SKS unless you play ATF's parts count game. Here is how you play the parts count game:

    Last edited: Aug 20, 2006
  6. model 649

    model 649 Well-Known Member

    Here is the text of the letter ATF sent me after I inquired in January about putting one of those TAPCO telescoping stocks on my SKS. From their letter it clearly looks like any mod(other than removing the bayo) can be subject to invoking the "parts count" game, so , unless you are willing to spend more $ than the rifle is worth, leave it alone to stay legal. (Remember this, Rebel?)

    Thank you for visiting ATF's Website. As stated on our site, generally,
    we do not answer technical questions via e-mail, but I contacted our
    Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) and was advised the following:

    "This is in reply to an e-mail received, in which you ask about
    replacing a shoulder stock on an SKS rifle. You also asked about the
    number of imported parts as listed in 27 CFR, section 478.39.

    Title 18, U.S.C., section 922(r) prohibits assembly of certain
    semiautomatic rifles and shotguns from imported parts. The implementing
    regulations in 27 CFR, section 478.39(a) provide that no person shall
    assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the
    following imported parts if the assembled firearm is prohibited from
    importation under section 925(d) (3) as not being particularly suitable
    or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

    (1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
    (2) Barrels
    (3) Barrel extensions
    (4) Mounting
    (5) Muzzle attachments
    (6) Bolts
    (7) Bolt carriers
    (8) Operating rods
    (9) Gas pistons
    (10) Trigger housings
    (11) Triggers
    (12) Hammers
    (13) Sears
    (14) Disconnectors
    (15) Buttstocks
    (16) Pistol grips
    (17) Forearms, handguards (18) Magazine bodies
    (19) Followers
    (20) Floorplates

    A person can lawfully assemble a semiautomatic SKS style rifle with a
    stock with a built in pistol grip as decribed in your e-mail link,
    provided that the rifle uses 10 or less of the imported parts. The
    combination stock would count as two parts, one for the stock and the
    second for the pistol grip."

    If you have any further questions, please call them on 304-260-1700.
  7. crazed_ss

    crazed_ss Well-Known Member

    In the ATF's eyes, How many total imported parts make up the SKS?
    How many US parts generally need to be replaced to get it under 10 imported parts?
  8. model 649

    model 649 Well-Known Member

    Nah, I'll be quiet. Sorry.
  9. FTF

    FTF member

    What happens if you slap a 30rd AK mag on one?
  10. joab

    joab Well-Known Member

    That wouldbe three compliance parts if made in the USA
    For an SKS you must replace 9 parts with compliance parts
    Here's a table
  11. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    I asked this question a while ago, and I followed the links to the provided forums, and crawled through the legislation line-by-line.

    It is rhetorical, ridiculous, redundant, non-sensical, and unenforceable. I came to a couple of conclusions.

    If you actually write BATFE for specific permission, it is more trouble than 1 $125 rifle is worth.

    Don't try to put AK mags on it. They don't work. If you want the capacity, buy an AK. They're not that expensive.

    If you DO decide to do any mods on your SKS, save all the old parts, and get a receipt for EVERYTHING, and save it all in a box just in case BATFE asks you to prove which parts are original and what you did to it. (This is when I decided to leave it like it is and hope for the best.)
  12. Rebel2345

    Rebel2345 Well-Known Member

    I never planned for a high capacity clip really. I just want to put a thumbthrough stock on, like the Fiberforce from ATI, and a Choate scope mount and scope. So since I dont want to replace enough parts, then its illegal ::rolls eyes::

    @ model, I remember the chart you sent me. I was just having trouble understanding it at the time, and thought if 15 other people explained it to me, that I might get it :banghead:

    I understand for the most part now, but there is one thing that confused me. When I was reading parts of the link that Lucky_fool posted, it states

    And then it states

    These two statements completely counteract eachother


    These people need to pull their heads out of their butts.
  13. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    An interesting side note to 922(r). It is NOT illegal to POSSESS a firearm that is not 922(r) compliant. The ACT of making a firearm that is not 922(r) compliant is what is illegal. Once in an illegal configuration, the firearm merely becomes contriband if some LE agency can manage to prove it is illegal. The most they can do is confiscate the firearm. There are thousands of SKSs out there that are not 922(r) compliant and there is no way to prove they are or not. The parts do not have "made is USA" stamped on them.
  14. joab

    joab Well-Known Member

    Yes ain't it neat how that happens when dealing with AFT regs.

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