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Smart Antis who aren't Politicians.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by CZ 42, Jan 24, 2008.

  1. CZ 42

    CZ 42 Well-Known Member

    My English teacher told the whole class today that there needs to be more gun control. Not the two-hands kind though, the British kind. He said, "Look at London. There isn't any crime there." I cried out, "Are you freaking kidding me?" And he said no, as a matter of fact I'm not, and look at Michael Moores' Movie if you don't believe me. I told him I saw it several times and it was mostly bull. Besides that, it was actually a pro-gun movie disguised as anti. He says the media is to blame, but maintains that all gun owners are nuts who keep their guns irresponsibly loaded and are actually mostly blind peope who just spray'n'pray :banghead:. This didn't stop my teacher, who has two little girls that he should be ready to protect, not to immerse them in ignorant denial, he kept on. He interrupts me to say "Well Joe, you're a gun nut and we know what you're gonna say. Nevermind. Hahahahah..." and just laughs me off. Now I'm pissed because I'm sure my classmates think he's an intelligent guy, and he probably made up their minds for them on guns. Why do people think these things? I used to like my English teacher. Why do smart people go for this? It's exasperating. I mean, this dude's got KIDS! He reads Douglas Adams!
  2. cornman

    cornman member

    Nothing wrong with his opinion. Personally I would rather live in a world without guns, but that is not going to happen until the world changes in a big way.
  3. Blackbeard

    Blackbeard Well-Known Member

    Probably because they're not really that smart. They were told something by someone they thought was smart, and if they repeat it, that makes them smart.

    I'm amused that a teacher would cite a movie as proof of his assertions. That's like saying that whites are superior, and if you don't believe me watch Birth of a Nation. Utterly ridiculous.
  4. CrawdaddyJim

    CrawdaddyJim Well-Known Member

    Some Other Time
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2008
  5. JWarren

    JWarren Well-Known Member

    And I pray I never see that day.

    Thank God our Founding Fathers had the wisdom to codify what they understand as our rights.

    By the way, don't let this turn you against teachers. I know LOTS of teachers who are VERY pro-RKBA. My wife, my father, and my sister (And she is a COLLEGE PROFESSOR) are three. I can think of a few dozen more as well.

    Another By the Way.... the thread title is misleading. Educated does not necessarily mean "Smart." I know a lot of very educated people who couldn't find their butts even if they had a big ole "Butt Map." I know many people who never when to college who exude true wisdom from experience.

    -- John
  6. TCB in TN

    TCB in TN Well-Known Member

    After completing his class I would mention to the Admin that an English teacher should be spending MORE time teaching English rather than focusing on politics.

    OAKVILLE SHOOTER Well-Known Member

    I was wondering the same thing.

    I would like to live in a world where we don't need guns for protection. A world where no shots were fired in anger. But definitely NOT in a world without guns. I like hunting and target shooting too much. Nothing like the smell of burnt gun powder.
  8. geekWithA.45

    geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus

    So, class, what have we learned?

    * That intelligent people can cling to and assert unintelligent ideas in the face of incontrovertible evidence. (It happens all the time. Physicians assert that men have more ribs than women because of Genesis, mathematicians deny evolution, Americans assert socialiam, the list goes on)

    * That some people will abuse their positions of authority to spread their ideology.
  9. Crunker1337

    Crunker1337 Well-Known Member

    Speak to the teacher privately. Politely state that you feel personally insulted that he totally brushed off your opinion classifying you into a group that you didn't necessarily want to be. Point out that even if you are a "gun nut" (which is a derogatory term that belittles all weapons enthusiasts) your argument is still valid, and for him/her to brush it off like that is the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem--a term I just learned in English, haha.
    Don't even discuss the issue, just point out that you feel insulted and belittled, and no teacher has a right to make a student feel that way just for having a different political opinion.
  10. JWarren

    JWarren Well-Known Member

    FAR too many English teachers seem to want to use the classroom as a stage for their political views. I say this as a person who has a English Literature Bachelors. It doesn't get any better on the college level.

    On a positive note, I am retiring from investments soon and....gasp!... about to be taking a position as an English Teacher. Gee.... where should I begin the indoctrination? (kidding! -- but at least I will know of ONE classroom where agendas will not be shoved down kids' throats.-- Shakespeare will do fine.)

    -- John
  11. The Unknown User

    The Unknown User Well-Known Member

    It sounds to me like that teacher's supervisor needs a good talking to.
  12. Zoogster

    Zoogster Well-Known Member

    The "smart" antis who are not politicians are usualy the ones you don't know about or hear from. They work tirelessly personaly funding, setting up charities and doing other things to fund thier cause.

    If you trace the source of funds for many anti gun entities they usualy go back to a couple sources. Those sources also often pay for many things that on the surface appear unrelated to gun control, but actively support it as well, sometimes while doing other services.

    The entities you usualy hear from and are in the press are often the foot soldiers of the operation.
    A couple very powerful individuals fund numerous "independent" entities, and multiple organizations. It gives the appearances there is actualy more of them than there really is, while at the same time allowing some to be extreme and work directly for the cause, and others to be moderate and be more subtle while leading "recruits" in that direction slowly.
  13. mustanger98

    mustanger98 Well-Known Member

    Not English class, but when I was in college Poli-sci and Public Speaking, my professors didn't try to indoctrinate their students.

    Poli-sci, the professor said "I have very strong opinions, but in context of this class, you will never know what they are."

    My Public Speaking professor didn't try to ram Conservative down their throats either.
  14. Dr. Peter Venkman

    Dr. Peter Venkman Well-Known Member

    Yeah, because when the strong were able to wield the swords better than the weaker ones the world was much better. :rolleyes:
  15. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    Teachers get, and promote, some funny ideas. I was once told by a woman teacher in an art class that, while "Da Vinci" means "from Vinci", it was just a name as there was no such place as Vinci.

    I asked if that affected my travel alarm clock. She inquired, in her usual snobbish way, just what my clock had to do with Leonardo. I said that I had bought it in the little electric shop down the street from the church in Vinci and if there was no such place, did my clock still work?

    You should have seen her trying to wiggle out of that one.

  16. Cmdr. Gravez0r

    Cmdr. Gravez0r Well-Known Member

    That's your first problem right there. Anyone who reads and thinks they understand the Hitchiker's Guide (don't even start with me on the movie) which is actually a very philosophical work, certifiably has no life. I read it through, decided I was done being a geek, and went and bought a gun. Well, that's the short version. If the man reads and appreciated Adams then his head is statistically in the clouds on a few things.
  17. CZ 42

    CZ 42 Well-Known Member

    Actually he just read the first. I told him to read the rest just recently. I think it's the best series of any kind, ever. If you knock it like that, you must not've understood it :neener:. It's my Bible. You look at everything differently after you read them all a couple times. And yes, the movie sucked... But it was Hollywoodized, they used some bits as comic relief and the original names. I agree, it is a very philosophical work. I certainly think it's better to adhere to a system of 'parables' like the Guide than to rely on stuff like the bible that was written for power and control. The Guide was written because he was drunk in Austria and thought it'd be nice to have a guide to the Galaxy.
  18. Number 6

    Number 6 Well-Known Member

    Academics have specialties like anyone else. I am sure your English professor is very good at writing and other aspects of the written word that are pertinent to his discipline, but that does not translate into being informed about gun control. I am sure if you stuck me in a molecular biology classroom the professor would think that I was an idiot. Being smart does not mean you are right, and a good academic would admit that they are uniformed about a particular issue.

    That is the approach I take.
  19. jakemccoy

    jakemccoy Well-Known Member

    Wow, your English teacher is out of control. Is he a bit older and just doesn't hold anything back anymore? From what you told me, he doesn't strike me as someone I would call intelligent.
  20. Kim

    Kim Well-Known Member

    I think I would tell him I am paying him to teach me English not Constitutional Law or his opinions on gun control. When did professors become Gods and not just paid teachers who is working for those who pay them.

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