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Smuggling guns into Mexico?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by thegriz, May 10, 2007.

  1. thegriz

    thegriz Member

    Aug 8, 2006
    Here is a thread in the public portion of a website called http://www.survivalbill.com

    Here is the link to the thread:

    Here is the text:
    Does this sound plausible or does this look like a myth?
  2. quatin

    quatin Active Member

    Sep 10, 2006
    Sounds like BS? I think Nightline had an episode where they asked migrant workers from Mexico about smuggling guns INTO the US. They showed them a bunch of guns/pictures of guns and asked them how much it costs in Mexico to get one. AKs were like $100, ARs were $200-$300 and various pistols were like $100.
  3. Essex County

    Essex County Participating Member

    Mar 9, 2005
    As an ex Border Rat, I doubt it. Essex
  4. Shear_stress

    Shear_stress Senior Member

    Apr 27, 2005
    Despite the strictness of Mexican gun laws, I don't think getting a 10/22 legally would be that much of a problem down there.
  5. El Tejon

    El Tejon Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    My guys tell me that AKs go for $100 and you can get hand grenades and RPGs as well, but not as readily.

    Shear, you are correct. 10/22s are very popular with farmers to shoot vermin. Fairly easy to get a permit for a .22. Many of my guys are country boys and grew up with a .22 around.

    Smuggling American ammunition is where you make your money. New, clean American ammo is gold apparently.
  6. foob

    foob Active Member

    Jul 17, 2006
    Who could afford such high prices? Maybe drug dealers, but you think they have a problem buying from local corrupt police and military?
  7. ChestyP

    ChestyP Member

    Mar 14, 2006
    Bellevue, WA
    It's fairly well documented

    in law enforcement circles that a lot of the money made in running drugs north is used to purchase guns to run south. Military/military style semi-autos (especially M1 carbines) were extremely popular for the southward trek a few decades ago when I worked in San Diego County.

    There are probably more military guns coming into Mexico along their southern border at this time, AK's and other "surplus" from various Latin American countries going to narco-terrorists and leftist political malcontents. Mexico is ripe for revolution. (You think we have an illegal alien problem now, let a shooting revolution break out south of the border and watch the flood come north.)
  8. SamTuckerMTNMAN

    SamTuckerMTNMAN Active Member

    Oct 4, 2006
    no kidding!

  9. bakerj

    bakerj New Member

    Jul 10, 2006
    A friend of mine in Oaxaca told me that 50 rounds of 9mm FMJ would bring $100 and that he could sell a Sig P228 or similar pistol for $1500 usd.
  10. eliphalet

    eliphalet Participating Member

    Apr 16, 2007
    Stolen cars and firearms both seem to make their way south I have read. I bet other items also. I haven't a clue except what I have read but with a border as open as ours are you can be sure smuggling is going both ways. It's been over 20 years since I drove across the Mexican border but back then all you ever got was a smile and a wave on through going south.
  11. TCB in TN

    TCB in TN Participating Member

    Jun 23, 2006
    Middle, TN
    Had an uncle who spent a few months in Mexico doing some electrical work, said that during his time there he was offered everything from old revolvers to full auto's (mostly Soviet Blok weapons. Also drugs and prostitution were very prevalent.
  12. CWL

    CWL Mentor

    Jan 6, 2003
    Since when has anyone ever had to smuggle anything into Mexico? No one checks your stuff when you are heading south.

    I knew/worked-with a person who was pretty high-up in Mexican politics (his brother once ran for President), he was driving a brand new Chevy Suburban that was loaded to the gills, including 2 televisions. He paid US$5000 for it...
  13. Titan6

    Titan6 member

    Feb 7, 2007
    Gillikin Country
    I am sure this is old.

  14. RCouch

    RCouch Member

    Aug 22, 2006
    Relative to the ease of going south across the border, it's much harder than it was a few years ago although not as as hard as going north. I was chairman of our missions committee at First Baptist Church in San Marcos for 3 years and we usually made three trip to Mexico every month. Two groups to Piedras Negras where we had two childrens homes and one trip to Via Acuna where we had a clinic and doctors in our church staffed it. They made it very difficult to bring any thing used across the border and that was important for clothes, etc. for the children. We finally had to set up a wharehouse on the U.S. side and let the native pastors pick up the goods, which was legal. The big difference is that we were abiding by the letter of the law and a lot other people don't. With the new passport restrictions it will get even tougher and I hope it doesn't dry up the missions work.
  15. Mortech

    Mortech Active Member

    Jun 24, 2004
    Shelton WA
    I work with alot of mexicans and they are always asking me to sell them a gun (I usually carry one at work) . The best offer I've had is $700 for my CZ75B :what: , I usually ask them for the proper ID (Alien firearms card and CCW) but they never produce them .
  16. bthest86

    bthest86 Member

    May 7, 2006
    I thought about bringing a wornout BM to Mexico and then disassembling it and burying the pieces it in the desert somewhere before leaving.

    They never checked us but sometimes the Army checkpoints will stop gringos and search their cars so I didn't want to risk it and what if I had to use it? Thats still a likely long sentence in a Mexican prison.

    I just took a knife and barrowed my brother's tazer which are perfectly legal to bring with you.
  17. Boats

    Boats member

    Dec 29, 2002
    FTF sales, even in Gregoiretopia, are largely unregulated you know?:evil: No ID required.

    Buyer: Hey Gringo, I will pay you $700.00 for that Czechnology there.

    Seller: You have $700.00 cash? I can't take credit cards, and screw Paypal.

    Buyer: Yeah, see here. (Shows roll of bills.)

    Seller: Count it off to 700.00 then.

    Buyer: (Counts off seven C-Notes) Here you go.

    Seller: (Holds each bill up to sun in a rare cloud break.) This one's fake, give me another.

    Buyer: Hey man, I have no idea where that one came from.

    Seller: (Clears weapon and hands it over with an empty mag) Just in case you are thinking about it, I am carrying a bigger and loaded gun.

    Buyer: Hey man, no problemo.

    Seller: You gonna need some ammo for that? That's extra.

    Point is that you, as a private seller, do not have a duty to ascertain anything more than it is unlikely that the dude is a minor and that he is not imminently committing a crime or announcing that his intentions are to do something illegal with the weapon. It is the buyer's burden, if caught possessing the weapon under questionable circumstances, to prove he was not a prohibited purchaser.

    Now there is an undeniable problem that $700.00 is steep for a CZ-75 and indicates an illegal buyer is fixated with a FTF transaction for more than market value, but if that value is within the range of base weapon in a private party sale, plus the cost of any mags more than two, taking into account both the time, or the transfer fee and shipping costs of finding a comparable weapon with a known ownership history, it is not beyond the pale to say that your CZ was worth $700 to a rationally motivated or just plain ignorant buyer.

    CZ-75: FTF ~400.00 INTERNET ~$400.00
    Shipping: FTF=$0.00 INTERNET ~$35.00
    X-Fer: FTF=$0.00 INTERNET ~$35.00
    Xtra Mags: FTF=included INTERNET ~$40.00 per factory mag
    Background Check Fee: FTF=$0.00 INTERNET $10.00

    With five total mags the Internet transaction would be at or a little over $600.00
    It would be easy to chalk up the "extra" $100.00 to buyer motivation or stupidity, not apparent criminal conduct.

    Maybe an undocumented worker needs home protection or maybe he wants to flip it to an unlicensed pharmacist? It's not your inquiry to make if you don't feel like it and don't make a habit of selling weapons to run afoul of being accused as a back of the trunk dealer.

    Personally, I'd avoid the hassle of an eventual trace. Obviously, others don't.
  18. Bwana John

    Bwana John Participating Member

    Sep 10, 2004
    Northern AZ
    I cross the border back and forth about 4 times a year.
    It would be very easy to smuggle firearms and ammo into Mexico.
    Crossing the border is no problem 39 out of 40 times, but if it looks as if you are bringing taxable items (building material ect...) into the country you do get stopped.

    The BIG problem would be the Army roadblocks, sometimes one every 100km. 50% of the time they do inspect your rig, and ~10% of the time they do a good job searching.

    BTW-firearms are NOT illegal in Mexico, just highly regulated. Most ranchos have a .22 or a .30-30, and I used to hunt ducks and quail all the time down there with shotguns provided by our hosts.

    If you ask nicely the Soldados will let you play with their firearms...
  19. Onmilo

    Onmilo Mentor

    Jul 26, 2004
    Why would a Mexican buy a semi auto knock-off AK for big bucks from the US when he can buy a real full auto AKM from Guatemala for about $250.00 US??

    If American gunrunning was such the real problem in Mexico why do they keep turning up Mexican made G3 and MP5 subguns in Narco hands?
  20. mbt2001

    mbt2001 Senior Member

    Dec 5, 2005
    Articles like this have ONE POINT and ONE POINT ONLY and that is the above paragraph. If they can beat people into saying that Gun Control keeps guns out of the hands of criminals, then people will accept it defacto.

    In a country were the army works for the drug lords, how can they need to purchase weapons from Walmart? Trust me, drugs are big business and they are not enlisting Walmart, most likely they (drug kingpins) are shipping them in and bribing people. Let's not be naive.

    BTW I get the feeling that the dude on the board was a fed or the guys he was talking to were feds...

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