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some Russian stuff you won't see in US gunshops

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by max popenker, Sep 29, 2004.

  1. max popenker

    max popenker Well-Known Member

    the Baikal MP-442
    same old Makarov PM but with 12-round mag and button mag release just below the slide stop lever
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    the Baikal MP-448
    The polymer-framed Makarov PM derivative. 9x18, 12 rounds, more or less conventional button mag release next to trigger guard
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    the Baikal MP-446 Viking
    polymer-framed, locked breech hi-cap semiauto in 9x19. Traditional double action with hammer, partially enclosed by the slide extensions, with ambi safety and NO decocker :cuss:
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    Cock-and-pull holster
    Made from polymer, this holster is intended to carry the gun in Coldition Three (safety on, chamber empty)
    To get ready, you must first push the gun down and then pull it out; When gun is pushed down, slide remains held in the holster and you actually cock and load pistol; safety is authomatically set to off by the spring-loaded stud inside the holster, so as you pull the gun out of the holster the gun is already in Condition Zero. At the present time holster s available for Makarov guns, but also can be made for any other guns, including 1911 anf GP-35, for example. Note that you do not have to use non=-shooting hand to cock the gun!
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  2. WhoKnowsWho

    WhoKnowsWho Well-Known Member

    I thought I saw this a while ago for Glocks, or was I dreaming?

    The steel Makarov with the more or less standard mag release would be kind of neat. No import chances?
  3. cls12vg30

    cls12vg30 Well-Known Member

    Anybody else take the first glance at that pistol in the holster and think it was a Hi-Point? The holster looks a lot like a Hi-Point slide.
  4. Andrew Wyatt

    Andrew Wyatt Well-Known Member

    okay, i'll bite. why on earth would someone want a holster like that?

    for 1911s and BHPs, it's MORE dangerous than carrying C&L.
  5. crt360

    crt360 Well-Known Member

    Max, thanks for sharing your finds with us. Hmmm . . . interesting guns . . . the 442 & 448 look like pretty neat little guns . . . the Viking looks like it was assembled from parts for several different pistols. I'd take a 12rd Mak, but there's no way I'd carry it in one of those "hey, you're about to shoot yourself in the leg" holsters. :uhoh: My health insurance will probably go up just because I looked at it.
  6. anapex

    anapex Well-Known Member

    How is carrying something in condition 3 (loaded magazine but nothing in the chamber) more dangerous then carrying something cocked and locked?
  7. Mad Man

    Mad Man Well-Known Member

  8. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    Ignoring the fact that the hand in the photo will be coming out of the holster with the finger on the trigger of a cocked and loaded pistol with the safety OFF, I think its safe to say that even if the draw is done correctly with the finger off the trigger, clearing leather with a single action pistol and the safety off is not the best technique

    The safety issue is not in the carry, but the draw. Tonight's CSI episode has a new cop killed when he ADs a quick draw with his Beretta.

  9. The_Antibubba

    The_Antibubba Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Max!

    And BTW, I really enjoy your site!!!
    :) :cool:
  10. Andrew Wyatt

    Andrew Wyatt Well-Known Member

    holster absent, it's much more difficult to get the gun into action and significantly more malfunction prone on the first shot.
  11. anapex

    anapex Well-Known Member

    Andrew: True without that holster, my question though was with that holster in mind though. Guess I should have mentioned that in it.

    Wally: True about the safety I guess I was thinking only of times when you'd be drawing and you'd want the safety off coming out.

    Ok another question now too, relooking at the pictures of that holster I had at first though it was some sort of kydex like material but looking at the second picture again it almost looks like it's metal. If it's metal I don't know if I'd want that much extra weight on my side.
  12. Dr.Rob

    Dr.Rob Moderator Staff Member

    Is it just me or does that Viking eject to the left?
  13. max popenker

    max popenker Well-Known Member

    No, it ejects to top and to the right.
  14. otomik

    otomik Well-Known Member

  15. Soap

    Soap Well-Known Member

    Max, your posts are always extremely interesting. Do you think the Russian military will ever standardize to 9x19?
  16. goon

    goon Well-Known Member

    The polymer Mak intrigues me. I have shot a couple maks, but they always scare me just a little. My big hands try to creep up. It gets way too close to where the slide travels for me to be comfortable with them. The polymer Mak looks like someone thought that problem out.
    Great little guns, but I just don't quite trust them to not cut me up.
  17. Redlg155

    Redlg155 Well-Known Member


    I've seen the Hi Cap makarovs available here in the US, but none with the mag release in that location. However, looking at the picture it seems that the heel type mag release is also present on the handgun, or am I seeing things? I can see the lanyard look and what also appears to be a standard mag release.

    Good Shooting
  18. Gifted

    Gifted Well-Known Member

    Would it help any to remove the stud that clicks off the safety? Thus you cock it and load it, but the safety stays on.
  19. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    Then you'd have a normal 1911 cocked and locked holster. You can't rack the slide of a 1911 with the safety on.

    Your scheme would work for the Beretta 9000s one of the few guns that can be carried cocked and locked that lets you cycle the slide with the safety on.

    With a Mak the safety on drops the hammer.

    This holster is designed around the misconception than guns are not safe to be carried with a round in the chamber. The cure is worse than the disease IMHO.

  20. m14nut

    m14nut Well-Known Member

    Any body esle got issues with the finger in the trigger guard whilst cocking that setup?????:what:

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