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Someone bring back the Luger.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Lightsped, Dec 16, 2003.

  1. Lightsped

    Lightsped Well-Known Member

    Just curious, but if all these companies, Kimber, Springfield, Para, Wilson, etc.... can manufactuer 1911s with the original design being done by Colt many years ago, why coudn't a company build copies of the Luger?

    Today's Luger could have some cost saving techniques such as doing away with the individual numbering of all the parts.

    So why couldn't this be done? Do people nowdays simply not like the Luger enough for a company to produce them again?
  2. alamo

    alamo Well-Known Member

    I believe some small company did just that a few years ago. I think I saw that also on "Tales of the Gun" on the History Channel (might be wrong - is that what prompted your question?) on their Luger episode (This episode aired today by the way) Might do a search and see what turns up.

    I have a Luger brought back from the war by my grandfather. I think that even with modern manufacturing techniques, it would be pretty expensive to make given the number of parts.
  3. Lightsped

    Lightsped Well-Known Member

    Yes, I have seen the Tales of the Gun Luger episode numerous times. Everytime I see that episode it makes me want to buy a P-08.

    With today's modern manufacturing techniques, I don't see how it could be that expensive to make a nice Luger style gun. I am not talking about making a cheap copy, but something with a MSRP of $800-900 bucks would be acceptable.
  4. Black Snowman

    Black Snowman Well-Known Member

    I believe Stoeger makes a reproduction luger pistol but I can't find any good information from google, at least not any that isn't blocked by the firewall here at work. I've heard reproducitons are in the $900-1200 range.
  5. Lightsped

    Lightsped Well-Known Member

    I checked around for Stoeger and only found long guns on their website. Google turned up some .22 Luger stuff, but a .22 Luger does sound too good to me. If Stoeger makes a 9mm Luger that could be very interesting!
  6. dsk

    dsk Well-Known Member

    Sorry guys, but IMHO it's really not practical. The P.08 required a lit more intricate machining than the 1911 does, and even if many of the parts were made in MIM or cast you'd still be talking about $1500 a copy. I highly doubt it could be done for under $1000 unless the QC was really sloppy. Who wants to pay that much for a cheap MIM copy of a pistol that is only of value as a collectible anyways? The only reason why I have a P.08 is because of its history. I'd certainly never want to have to use it for defense.

    The only reason why the reproduction WW1 and WW2 1911's are practical is because the same basic gun is still in constant production. Even then, a lot of folks claim you can almost buy an original for what the repros cost.
  7. BigG

    BigG Well-Known Member

    Agree that mfg a Luger would be cost prohibitive today. It takes a good mechanic to make a working replica of the M1911A1; it would take an artiste to make a working replica of a P08. Hand fit, super heat treat, etc. JMTC
  8. dfariswheel

    dfariswheel Well-Known Member

    There have been replica Lugers.

    Mauser/InterArms made several models in the 1970s.

    Mitchell Arms, and Stoger both sold the same stainless steel replica as late as a year or so ago.

    The Mauser replicas were expensive, and are now collectible.

    The Stoger/Mitchell stainless was/is available as a 4" standard or 6" "Navy Model".
    It's available in bright stainless or a blackened stainless.
    It was sold as the "American Eagle Luger".

    Since Stoger bought the rights to the Luger name back in the 1930's, ONLY Stoger can put the Luger name on a gun. The Mauser guns were sold as the "Parabellum".

    The Mitchel/Stoger was cheaper due to the use of castings.

    The guns usually don't make it due to high prices in the case of the Mauser, and plain lack of sales in the Stoger case.
  9. BigG

    BigG Well-Known Member

    Dfariswheel is correct about the trademark "Luger." I've even seen Luger brand shotguns from Stoeger. ;) The actual name of the pistol is "Parabellum." But we Americans have always called it "Luger," as I shall continue.

    As my fading memory tells me there were a couple or three sets of machinery set up for making Lugers and all real McCoys were produced on those machines. Ludwig Loewe built the machinery and manufactured guns with his firm DWM and later BKIW. A set was used at Erfurt Arsenal to make Lugers. A set was sold to the Swiss who built the .30 for their armed forces. Thru time and the various vicissitudes, one set ended up with Simson? It was taken away from them because they were Jews, IIRC. Loewe was also Jewish and his BKIW was parted out, IIRC. A set was transferred to Krieghoff, IIRC. The DWM/BKIW set was transferred to Mauser, IIRC. So the same equipment made all the P08s, Parabellums, Lugers.

    BTW, once you have examined and fired a real Parabellum, the cast clones would have little appeal, imho.
  10. MonkeyMan

    MonkeyMan Well-Known Member

    According to the "Tales of the Gun" episode, there's a company somewhere in the US that's planning on making copies of the Luger in .45ACP. Price is estimated to be $15,000:what: Takes "collectible" to a whole new level.:D
  11. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    It seems to me that one maker is selling virtually hand-made copies at around $15-20K. Why is no one tooling up and mass producing them? For the simple reason that THERE IS NO MARKET. Mauser and Interarms tried, believing that the market existed and found out that, like other "bring back the x" cries, the "demand" was all wish list and hot air. When offered the chance to buy a new Luger at a decent price, the potential customers vanished.

    One problem is simply that original Lugers, in reasonable condition, are still available for $400-700, and they have (or are seen to have) "historical value". No new manufacture could compete, no matter how many production shortcuts were taken.

  12. N3rday

    N3rday Well-Known Member

    As I recal it was very fussy and judging by the videogames its featured in-VERY ugly.

    Any replicas of the 8mm Nambu? perfect for dropping and accidental discharges!
  13. dsk

    dsk Well-Known Member

    ".....judging by the video games it's featured in....."

  14. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    With good ammunition and magazines, the Luger is not that bad, but it was never a reliable as the Model 1911 .45 pistol. It was (and would be) expensive to make, costing about twice what the P.38 cost, which was one reason the Germans went to the latter pistol.

    As for the 8mm Nambu, I don't know that it is any more prone to accidental discharge than any other pistol; sear engagement is quite long and the safety is positive even though awkward.

  15. BigG

    BigG Well-Known Member

    Is glass half full or half empty?

    Jim Keenan said:
    Problem? What problem? :D Hell, go buy a REAL one and shoot the bejeebers out of it. :cool:
  16. dsk

    dsk Well-Known Member

    Not the Nambu, but another WW2 Japanese pistol had an exposed sear that could fire the pistol just by accidentally pressing on it. I don't remember what exact model it was, however.
  17. WonderNine

    WonderNine member

    I'd like something like a Ruger MKII in 9mm.

    Apparently it would be too rough on the action though from what I'm told.
  18. 444

    444 Well-Known Member

    I have always wanted a Luger. I have no idea why I never bought one. As mentioned, they arn't all that expensive; I have certainly spent enough on this hobby over the last 20 years to buy a safe full of Lugers but for some reason was never in the right place at the right time to buy one and never made the effort to hunt one down.
    The first handgun I ever fired was a Luger brought back by one of our neighbors when I was a kid.

    Last summer if fired several mags out of a stainless Luger. I broke all my personal rules of etiquette. I saw a guy shooting one, walked over and asked him if I could give it a try. I normally wouldn't even consider talking to someone else who is trying to shoot, let alone ask to touch one of their guns. But, I was seriously considering asking if there was a price that would make him let it go. However, when I shot it, it was a big disappointment. It malfunctioned several times per magazine. I don't remember if I was hitting anything with it.
  19. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    At $400-600+, used Lugers are really cheap for the kind of craftsmanship it took to originally produce them. Reproducing them today in comparable quality would make custom 1911s seem inexpensive!
  20. Lightsped

    Lightsped Well-Known Member

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