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Sporting vs fighting shotguns

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by ZVP, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. ObsceneJesster

    ObsceneJesster Well-Known Member

    I don't know for sure but I do remember seeing a news feed from the most recent war in Iraq. The video aired some time in 2003 but it was of a soldier who was wounded in Baghdad. He took a bullet to the leg and couldn't walk so they were carrying him out on a stretcher. While they were carrying him, he was leaning up pumping away on his 590. I thought that was pretty cool.
  2. PT92

    PT92 Well-Known Member

    Indeed--It's kinda difficult to make out but it happens around the 4:25 mark of this video:

  3. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    Some of the best fighting shot guns in US history were long barreled, wooden stocked sporting gun look-a-likes. What was once used in the trenches of WWI as a fighting shotgun is looked at today as a sporting shotgun.

    I just see shotguns, and shotguns with doodads hanging from them.
  4. PT92

    PT92 Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Even the Benelli M4 which is state-of-the-art is essentially "the same" shotgun but of course semi-auto action.

    Arguably though, the game changer in "combat shotguns" has been the introduction of the 'mag-fed' Russian Saiga's (and now VEPR's) based largely on the AK architecture. I have a Saiga 12 converted and it's a hoot--my experience has been, however, that a NIB Saiga 12 will run only with the heavy stuff until the gas ports are manipulated accordingly via a conversion process--no experience with the new VEPR but from what I have read it's said to be an "enhanced" Saiga . And then there's the Turkish MKA 1919 AR15 Style shotgun of which I have no direct experience with but have read favorable reviews. They keep saying they will have hi-cap mags available for these but I still see only the five round mags whereas the Saiga's can run mags/drums anywhere from 5-20 rounds.

    With that said, still the "combat" effectiveness of the shotgun (including mag-fed) is extremely "role" oriented at best as I see it, be it breaching, MP, general security etc...But I cannot see how it could be utilized as a soldier's primary firearm in the field where, conversely, it can easily be advocated as a primary defensive firearm for the civilian (IMO even in a SHTF scenario as it can reach out to 150yds. if needed and has perhaps unparalleled CQB effectiveness).
  5. bubba in ca

    bubba in ca Well-Known Member

    In the short run, if you live in a flaky legal district, or plan on saying unfortunate things to the investigating officers, or plan on having a bad lawyer, you would be better off having a plain-jane wood and blued steel shotgun.

    In the long run, there is no telling what the gun thieves will dream up but most likely it will be semi autos and detachable mags and extended mags that are not detachable ( the new NY law restricts semi-autos with 8 or more round tubular mags).

    If we loose this round, in 10 years they will go for everything. Remember, if ``immigration reform``passes, we will have Democratic majorities in all branches of government.
  6. ZVP

    ZVP Well-Known Member

    Thanks for fixing the error I made!
    So sorry!
    I see that we are all afraid of loosinng even our sporting guns, I am too!
    I use a Stoger Uplander 20 Ga SXS with 28" bbls
    I don't want to cut the barrels because I also want to use this shotgun for fun and want the chokes for that. I think that the overall size of the gun is small enough to use for HD. It is shorter than a 9 round pump.
    Ammo is the problem now, all I can get is small shot right now and I just got the gun. I am still searching high and wide! #7 is better than nothing...
    Thanks to the Moderator.
  7. Isaac-1

    Isaac-1 Well-Known Member

    SGammo has 20 ga slugs by the case in stock

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