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Star Firestar Plus Help

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Endall, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. Endall

    Endall Member

    I purchased a Firestar Plus back when Star was still in business. Thought it would be a great car gun. Never did anything with it. Sat in a nylon holster with mags since mid 90's.
    Got it out today to clean. Removed the slide stop, but the slide will not go forward to come off the frame. Seems to be hitting around the trigger.
    Have not gotten rough with it. Tried changing the safety from on to off, putting a magazine in and removed, even cyclig the trigger. Also tried flipping it upside down to see if something loose is keeping the side from going forward.
    Figure if I break something, this NIB Firestar Plus is toast.
    If no one here has an idea, may just go run a box through it. Maybe cycling it 50 times will lossen something up.

    Just joined, but have been lurking.

  2. HisSoldier

    HisSoldier Well-Known Member

    I have a Firestar, but not the aluminum framed version. Have you tried youtube?
  3. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    Really strange. I wonder if the guide rod (inside the slide) has somehow been mispositioned as your messed with it?

    I can't think of anything else that would cause that situation/problem. (I've had several Firestar Plus handguns, plus some others Star guns. I liked them all...) I don't have one now, so can't play with mine to see if I can duplicate the problem.

    I don't know what to suggest, other than taking it to a nearby gunsmith. Chances are he'll have it apart and the problem explained in a few minutes.
  4. Endall

    Endall Member

    Got it fixed. The guide rod was the issue. Jiggled it around and the slide fell off the frame.
    BUT, it slipped again when going back together. I forced the the slide stop pin. Ended up with the locked slide. The pin would not let it go back far enough to remove the pin. The guide rod stopped it from going forward.
    Got a screwdriver and worked the guide rod spring enough to get it moving. Finally pushed the rod out the front. Grabbed with vise grips. Worked for maybe an hour and got the barrel positioned the barrel. Slid the slide far enough to pull the stop pin.
    Put it all back together. Works perfectly.
    The original issue was either factory or transport related. The had never been shot or taken apart. It is NIB.

  5. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    The triggers on these guns can be easily improved by a gunsmith. You won't believe how smooth and crisp they can be. Makes me want to look for another Firestar Plus... (I've got enough other guns, though, that it would end up in the gunsafe and be sold a couple of years later.)

    I also pine for a Daewoo DP51. I had one that was REALLY a tack driver, and foolishly traded it away for a pretty nice 8mm Husqvarna, which I never shot...

    Some people (me, among them) do stupid things.
  6. Endall

    Endall Member

    Loose fit

    The frame to slide fit on the Plus is not tight. It is one thing I noticed when purchased. They were closing them out, 239 or so. Regular price was 399.00.
    Hope to run a 100 rds through it later this week. If it will keep ten on a target at 10 yds might get the trigger looked at.
  7. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    A tight slide to frame fit is the holy grail of 1911 shooting, but increasingly, folks there recognize that S-F fit isn't nearly as important as good barrel-to-slide fit. (As has been noted elsewhere, with 1911s it's more a sign of the level of care taken in the build of a 1911 by a custom gunsmith. A tight S-F fit is not really all that common with other semi-autos, nor is it really important.)

    I suspect your gun will shoot well with aimed shots. And if it doesn't, it will have little or nothing to do with slide-to-frame fit.
  8. johnnydollar

    johnnydollar Well-Known Member

    I've had my FS Plus for a few weeks now and it's gone thru more than 600 rds with good accuracy and excellent reliability. It is rather hard to understand why these guns did not sell better--they are about the same size as my HK P7, with the magazine capacity of my Hi-Power, in a lighter package (empty) than either one of those fine pistols. I am very happy with mine.
  9. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    I suspect the reason Firestars Plus models didn't sell well was all of the other Spanish-made guns with less-stellar reputations: assumed lower-quality by association. The Plus came out at a bad time -- all of other other Spanish guns were having a lot of quality issues. Star also introduced a polymer framed model about that time that was pretty good, too. I don't think it ever got a fair shake in the marketplace, either.

    The ones I've owned (which included the standard Firestars in both 9mm and .40, a Model B, and a bunch of Firestar Plus models) were all good weapons, as reliable and as accurate as those made in Italy or Germany.
  10. Endall

    Endall Member

    Love the looks

    In the mid 90's when I purchased mine, it was the nicest looking compact 9 in the case at Carter's Country. Cannot understand why it went into the gun safe and sat for the last 17 -18 years. Only manually cycled a few rounds through.
    I paln on running a 100 box of Federal Champions through it tomorrow, then some mixed fodder. Still have about five boxes of Speer GD from the same time period. That was my thoughts, Gold Dot in it as a car carry.
    If I can put a clip on target with it might end up there after all.
  11. Endall

    Endall Member

    Went to the range today. Put a mixed box of Silvertips, Rem JHP, and Win Ball. These were close to 30 years old, the Silvertips were green brass. Then half a pack of the Federal Champions from Wallmart.
    No issues. Fed everything. Ejected like a demon. Functionality was perfect with some OLD stuff.
    But, this is the longest trigger I have seen. Almost full travel to break. And consistant low to the right. Since I am left handed this may be the trigger. Shot the center out of another target with a 100 rds through a PT1911.
    I will adjust the rear sight and see if it dials in. Want to run couple 100 more through it before looking at the trigger. It is definately a keeper for SD. Small and goes bang when the hammer falls.
  12. Endall

    Endall Member

    Put 50 more through it

    Will take Walt's advise and get a smith to work on the trigger. Works great but the trigger is too long and mushy.
    It is a nice looking and reliable shooting gun. No +P loads, but has shoot everyone tried so far.

  13. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    The trigger will probably still be LONG after the 'smith works on it, but with mine, it was very crisp and -- like a good 1911 trigger -- it broke like glass.

    Nice little guns.

    I'd get another, but I don't have the time (or money) to shoot the guns I have, now...
  14. johnnydollar

    johnnydollar Well-Known Member

    I still like mine a great deal:). I'd be interested to know how it comes out after your 'smith works it over. I might have something done with my trigger....This thread has reawakened my interest in this pistol, so I went to the safe and got it out, changed the cant on the Crossbreed Supertuck holster I have for it, and put it on. Wow, does this thing carry well! (I bought the CBST for something else, maybe a long gone Taurus PT-111, but it works great with the Firestar Plus.) I carried it some during the winter in a Don Hume JIT belt side (which I'd ordered for a BHP), but put it away when warmer weather returned and I could no longer conceal anything OWB. But the Supertuck may just turn the trick. Hopefully I'll shoot her this weekend.
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2012
  15. Endall

    Endall Member

    Went to the range again

    Put an old box of Hanson Combat through it. Was shooting better. Trigger is cleaning up.
    Still not a tack driver. But shoots good. Shot the same ammo in a CZ 75B and spread was much smaller.
    I will look for a smith. But it is accurate enough for me as a carry model.

  16. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    I've found that some guns like certain ammo better than others. What shoots well in one gun might not shoot well in another (even if it's the same kind of gun). Try several different brands, including a variety of carry ammos, before you give up on the gun.
  17. Endall

    Endall Member

    Did not like the Federal Champions

    They feed fine, but seem to give loose grouping. The Hanson Combat were a lot tighter.
    Still breaking it in. Plan on running another 100 rounds of plinking rounds. Hope it likes the Speer Gold Dots. Found more boxes in the attic. Hope to use these once settled in.
    The design is very close to a CZ. Guess all are copies of the BHP.

  18. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    I presently own two of those three (CZ and a BHP) and have had at least three Firestar Plus models. (I like the little "Plus" guns a lot.) I've detail-stripped all of them. (If you compare parts diagrams from one of the on-line gun manual sites, you'll see just HOW DIFFERENT they really are.)

    The Star, the BHP and the CZ have little in common, and all have much different internal mechanisms.

    The Star is not a copy of the CZ, and neither of those two are are even close to being copies of the BHP. Only the CZ has a double-action mode and a firing pin block (although newer BHPs have a FPB), which adds extra complexity to the design. The Star does have a magazine safety (easily deactivated) that doesn't affect the trigger; the CZ doesn't, and the BHP's mag safety really messes with the trigger. About the only thing these three guns have in common is that they use the Browning lockup -- but that's true of most most semi-auto pistols.

    Last edited: Apr 22, 2012
  19. Jaymo

    Jaymo Well-Known Member

    I bought a Firestar .45 in the early 90s and sold it to buy a Maadi AK, that I ended up selling to buy a Marlin .44 mag lever action.
    I had missed that Firestar for quite a few years, when I came across a used one, also .45, at the LGS for a good price.
    It sat in the safe for a few years. I never shot it. I lost interest in it and was going to sell it.
    I decided to take it to the range and shoot it before selling it.
    I decided not to sell it.
    It's accurate and reliable, just like it's predecessor.
    It stays.
  20. Endall

    Endall Member

    My mistake

    I was referring to the slide inside the frame design. This feature is listed as why the CZ are such good designs.
    The trigger designs are variable in some models now. There are models of CZ and clones with SA triggers. Of the three I have two are DA/SA and one is SAO.
    Taking the Plus apart it sure looks like like my three CZ/clones. The guide rods are two full length and one short. I like the full length better. But the Plus has a single yoke on the trigger bar. The short bull barrel also is a different feature, but another CZ clone I want is full size with bull barrel and SAO trigger.
    This Firestar is growing on me. It looks good and is solid. Even the sights are good.


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