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Still Trust Your FBI "Patriots"?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Specialized, May 24, 2005.

  1. Specialized

    Specialized Well-Known Member

    This is the first confirmation I've heard that this was coming. Not a good sign, folks -- I don't care what political affiliation you are, there are principles our country stands for that should never be trifled with. Protection from secret searches and siezures without judicial oversight, for WHATEVER reason, are one of them. Please note the 3rd paragraph.


  2. Mr. X

    Mr. X member

    I never did and Ruby Ridge was far more persuassive than things like this if ever I wondered why I don't trust them; J. Edgar Hoover's mismanagement and secret files are probably the germ of why I never trusted them to start with.
  3. Control Group

    Control Group Well-Known Member

    It depresses me that that's the counterargument being made. Whatever happened to "because it's wrong," or "because that's not the way this country is supposed to work"?

    When you've begun having to justify your rights, you've already lost them.
  4. R.H. Lee

    R.H. Lee Well-Known Member

    Doesn't a 'subpoena' by definition require judicial review as a basic component? What is an 'administrative subpoena'? It sounds like an egregious and clearly unconstitutional and illegal overreach of power to me.

    And the sooner the so-called 'Patriot Act' expires the better. When .gov gets serious about borders, I might begin to believe they're serious about a "War on Terror". :mad:
  5. rick_reno

    rick_reno member

    Great idea - if it gets us closer to winnning the "War on Terror" I'm all for it. Why don't they assign us each an agent and be done with this nonsense. He/she will be with us 7X24 and be able to report back to SS - strike that - FBI headquarters whenever we do something we shouldn't.

    I guess this will show those "ordinary citizens" who is in charge. I hope it passes.
  6. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Yep. You don't have rights if you've got to explain or justify them, if you're afraid to exercise them, or you need government permission to exercise them. They might be relics, but they're not still rights.
  7. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    It struck me at the time of the original anti-terror legislation after 9/11 that fear was the great motivator, and that the terms of the legislation provided far more protection to The Powers That Be (TPTB) than for "just folks". That is, overall, the higher-level elected officials and appointees and the upper-echelon GS types benefit far more from the legislation than you or I.

    As one looks at how the TSA operates; or, as talked about a lot here, our borders: Are we running short of mature adults? Is anybody really minding the store?

    This Caproni thinks that you'll catch a terrorist via "EZ Pass"? Northeastern toll roads don't take change? 'Scuse me, is a terrorist gonna actually get itself an EZ Pass?

    "Blessed are they who run around in circles, for they shall be known as Wheels."

    Pardon the rant, but I've read more drivel from Officialdom these last nearly-four years than I'd have ever believed possible. What bothers me most is that they seem to believe it.

  8. dasmi

    dasmi Well-Known Member

    Hey Republicans, WAKE THE HELL UP. You should be screaming louder than anyone about this. Smaller government, remember?
  9. foghornl

    foghornl Well-Known Member

    Haven't trusted the Fibbys in nearly 30 years, after dealing with them once when I was an Auxillary Reserve Deputy Sheriff.

    Nothing I have seen has changed my opinion.
  10. rick_reno

    rick_reno member

    Those were the old style Republicans. These new ones are spend, reduce liberty, spend, reduce liberty, spend...One postive thing about the new Republicans is they're a lot more entertaining to watch.
  11. 2nd Amendment

    2nd Amendment member

    Don't fear. Someone will soon be along to tell us all how this really is a good thing and you're all simply wearing your tinfoil too tight. Seriously...
  12. Sindawe

    Sindawe Well-Known Member

    Hey, if you have nothing to hide, whats your worry? It is for the betterment and safety of everybody. If the NKV^H^H^H F.B.I. want to have a look at what your reading, what your medical records show and the like, why should you object? How else can they stop those evil unterme^H^H^H^H^H^H^H TERRORISTS from attacking the Homeland? Hmmmm?
    Sorta like a train wreck eh Rick?
  13. RevDisk

    RevDisk Well-Known Member

    Because numerous references to the US Constitution is a criteria of being viewed as a suspected terrorist by some federal agencies. Gods, I wish I was making that up.

    Basically an 'administrative subpoena' is when a non-judge person can sign off on an alleged subpoena. Apparently it is when the subject matter is a popular "get tough on crime" issue. Drugs, etc.

    Your assessment is rather accurate.

    Ouch. Sadly, I had the same thought.

    I was watching C-SPAN on the Dems going on about the judges. Apparently, the Dems signed off on 95% of the judges and had issues about some judges that do not fit legal criteria. The one Congresscritter from Maryland meantioned that Bush wanted a judge from outside Maryland (a non-resident) who was not a member of the Maryland Bar to serve as a judge for Maryland. Call me a loony, but I don't think it's too much to ask for a judge to be from the area he or she is presiding in. Asking him or her to be licensed to actually practice the law shouldn't even be an issue, from what I understand it's already a requirement.

    Filibusters already are slightly controlled. Cloture rule, requiring 60-vote threshold to end debate. We already have a one party govt. Passing more restrictions on the minority party is a bad idea. Balance is rather important, and for a long time it kept something of a balance or at least slowed down the corrosion of our freedoms.

    I do not like to think what will happen once a single party not only gains control of all three branches of govt, but also manages to effectively remove any tools of opposition from the other party. No good can become of this.

    (I won't even bother to touch on the hypocrisy of certain Congresscritters calling judicial filibusters "illegal" or "persecution", after said Congresscritters have done the same thing in the past.)
  14. javafiend

    javafiend member

    Just wait til Chuck Schumer is appointed FBI Director...
  15. Blue Line

    Blue Line Well-Known Member

    Chuckie won't let'em have guns any more!

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