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Surplus US Military weapons locker?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by The Undertoad, Nov 16, 2006.

  1. The Undertoad

    The Undertoad Well-Known Member

    I was shopping for a gun safe today. Ran into a gentleman who stated his father may still have a few surplus military weapons lockers. He said they're quite plain but are gen-u-wine steel plate and much more resistant to forced entry than the $1000 RSC's with pretty paint. No fire protection at all - but that's what I have insurance for. I'm more worried about theft.

    I told him the dimensions and storage capacity I'm looking for. I'm probably botching the numbers because I also looked at a bunch of gun safes at several stores, but I think he said it'd weigh 300-400#. If this fellow calls me and I go check these puppies out, anything I should know? I am assuming they were DRMOed or something.

    If anyone could give me tell tale signs that they are "the real deal" or signs that I should run and not look back, I'd appreciate it. Google isn't turning much up but politics, news articles, blog entries and RPG stuff. The only military weapons locker I've ever seen is the armory at Ft. Eustis, which is really just a very secure room with lots of guns in racks. :) I asked if it had a combination lock and he replied in the affirmative... A photo or good description of what these are, if anyone knows, would be awesome. I'll be sure to follow up if I get more info.
  2. Toy Mtn Boy

    Toy Mtn Boy New Member

    Map and Plan Container


    My last unit, at Ft. Knox (1977-1979), kept all weapons in map and plan containers. They looked something like this:


    I don't know but they looked like they weighed more than 400 pounds.

    Military regs prohibit storage of military and privately owned weapons (POWs)in the same security container. The armorer and others were not happy when they had to empty one just to store my POWs.:D

  3. Toy Mtn Boy

    Toy Mtn Boy New Member

  4. The Undertoad

    The Undertoad Well-Known Member

    TMB after your first post I found that one too! Wow! You beat me to posting the link because my browser keeps crashing on me. :scrutiny:

    THANKS for the info. Now I have a clearer idea what I am looking for. And if the damn things weigh half a ton it may be more trouble than it's worth to get it into my house :what: But we shall see... Never underestimate a squad of moderately-in-shape people properly motivated by free pizza and beer :evil:
  5. The Undertoad

    The Undertoad Well-Known Member

    Just ran into a potential snag... if these are the same security containers, they are 39" deep. The closet I was planning on putting it in is only 26" deep. Bugger. This may require some rethinking.
  6. Hoppy590

    Hoppy590 Well-Known Member

    wow. thats nice. id get that bad boy if you have the means. better than having to play tetris to get rifles in and out of the safe

    sawz-all is gods gift to man
  7. CypherNinja

    CypherNinja Well-Known Member

  8. ScottsGT

    ScottsGT Well-Known Member

    NOBODY BETTER OUTBID ME ON THIS :evil: This is actually within one or two hours of me, and I'm going for it!
  9. 0007

    0007 Well-Known Member

    Undertoad -
    I work on those things occationally(I'm from the government and I'm here to help you.). If you (and them) aren't too far away, I'd be glad to take a look at it for/with you on a weekend. I'm on the East side of the belt way in Maryland.

    (Especially if he's got more then one.)

    Almost forgot. They can be pretty easily moved with an appliance dolly.
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2006
  10. El Barto

    El Barto Well-Known Member

    I know that there is a webite, I think it is the DRMO, that has gov't safe's on them every now and then. If I find the link I will post.

  11. loki.fish

    loki.fish Well-Known Member

    ScottsGT.....In case you didn't read the description very well, (like many people on Ebay) that thing is locked and nobody knows the combination. Just an FYI in case you overlooked it.

    Those GSA things are insanely expensive. For $1500 I could get a "gun safe" made with steel and concrete poured between the steal and I'd think it'd take more than 30 minutes to get into it.....then again I'm no professional thief.
  12. dfaugh

    dfaugh Well-Known Member

    I used to be safe mechanic (READ: legal safe cracker)....And if its GSA rated safe it is VERY difficult to open (without the combo)...In order to pass GSA regs there's some "extra stuff" (I won't get real specific) that has to be defeated to get it open. Could be very costly to get it open.

    The good news is, if you come up witha GSA rated container they are FAR superior to the gunsafes you usually see.

    Edit: just looked at eBay aution---look like the outer (nasty) door is open (+++) inner on is probably not fully GSA rated, so it should be easy to drill.
  13. CypherNinja

    CypherNinja Well-Known Member

    I read the auction before I posted it. :p The smaller internal locker is the one that has no combo. "Contents Unknown" is always fun.

    Also, I hang out on the lock forums on and off, so I know a little. Anything with a GSA label is serious stuff.
  14. a1abdj

    a1abdj Well-Known Member

    There are two types of GSA Containers (safes) that you'll commonly run into.

    Class 5 safes are the heavier versions, Class 6 safes are the lighter versions. There will be a tag on the safe somewhere that declares what class of safe it is. If the tag is not on the safe, it's generally because a locksmith removed it. Once one of these safes is opened by drilling, the safe no longer carries its rating (unless the entire door is replaced).

    These safes are not high security units, but can be highly manipulation resistant. The class 5 safes will be more secure than the majority of gun safes on the market.

    When these safes are taken out of service from the government, the governments locksmith will inspect the safe to make sure its empty, then change the combination to a uber top secret series of numbers so that all of the out of service safes have the same combination. If you end up getting the safe, I can share this combination with you through e-mail.

    These safes can also be used by civilian companies that do government work. If this is the case, they may have different procedures as far as the final combination change is concerned.
  15. ScottsGT

    ScottsGT Well-Known Member

    So far I'm the only bidder on it. Really is not tall enough to do the job properly, but I think I can make it work. Being that it is in Barnwell SC, I'm thinking it came from the Savannah River Site Nuclear facility. I'm sure I can make a pull out rifle rack like the website showed. Rails might be a problem, but I think I have a source for some if I get it. Loading it on the trailer is going to be a problem though. I'm thinking a strap and a come-a-long to drag it sideways up on the trailer.
  16. atomchaser

    atomchaser Well-Known Member

    Interesting that that safe has what appears to be a radioactive material sticker on the internal safe door. It's highly unlikely that that it contains any radioactive material, but I would be cautious unless I knew that it was empty. If it did contain radioactive material at one point, I would want to see some documentation that any residual contamination was below release limits.

    If it has significant residual contamination or a radioactive source in the little safe, you don't want to mess with it. You have to get people like me involved (health physicist), and we don't work cheap.
  17. Gifted

    Gifted Well-Known Member

    Yeah. When I first saw that I was wondering what the feds would think of me showing up with a "top secret" notebook or piece of plutonium saying, "this was left in a safe I bought":what: .

    If it was close enough, I'd be interested. I suppose I could go down the the AF records facility(it's quite literally down the street) and see if they have any they're getting rid of.

    My first thought was to leave the drawers, and rig racks to lay the guns flat in. It's too short for that though.

    What did you search for to get that, CypherNinja? I'd like to browse.
  18. javacodeman

    javacodeman Well-Known Member


    I'm not too far either, but I won't bid on it. I just had a "well why didn't you think of that" moment as I've work on a Naval base for more than five years (active duty military and now contractor) and never thought of going to Dr. Mo to see if there is a safe begging for a new home. Guess I have some leg work Monday.

    BTW, get a geiger (sp) counter if you want to see if you want to mess with that top drawer. Surely someone wouldn't be idiotic enough to store a source or similar material in something like that.

  19. The Undertoad

    The Undertoad Well-Known Member

    a1abdj, thanks for the information. I was hoping you would respond. What does GSA stand for? Government Security Approved or something? :)

    Scott good luck with the ebay auction.
    Radioactivity...that sounds un-fun. Odds are good it's from a Navy base in my area but we have some nuclear facilities too... :uhoh:
  20. Car Knocker

    Car Knocker Well-Known Member

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