Survival situation game: availability of .45 pistol is dangerous
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LaEscopeta
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I know the trick of fluffing a bit of steel wool and holding it across the terminals of a high voltage (>6 volts) battery. Works best if you fluff a cotton ball from your first aid kit (or some other tinder) in with the steel wool. Best to use an insulator to hold the steel wool.
Is there another way?
ARRRGGG! If this happened at my company, there would be a lot of bonced checks due to dealid bonus checks.
atomicferret
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If I were on the plane the pistol probably belongs to me anyway.
Geronimo45
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The compass+map issue seems pretty silly to me.
The nearest town is 20 miles, okay. But is the nearest habitation necessarily 20 miles away? Lots of folk build houses on the edges of town, or outside town. Therefore, your 20 miles is probably a worst-case-scenario.
The premise behind this test seems to be that all the people involved are complete and utter idiots. They can't follow a map. They can walk ten miles. They can't be around a pistol for very long before they kill each other.
Even with out of shape folks, I imagine you could get them moved ten miles a day or so. Give folks a bit of hope, too, instead of sitting tight and waiting. Being passive may not save your life.
The nearest town is 20 miles, okay. But is the nearest habitation necessarily 20 miles away? Lots of folk build houses on the edges of town, or outside town. Therefore, your 20 miles is probably a worst-case-scenario.
The premise behind this test seems to be that all the people involved are complete and utter idiots. They can't follow a map. They can walk ten miles. They can't be around a pistol for very long before they kill each other.
Even with out of shape folks, I imagine you could get them moved ten miles a day or so. Give folks a bit of hope, too, instead of sitting tight and waiting. Being passive may not save your life.
Sorry, I want the .45! Oh, and I'll take the whiskey too. Those items and the tarp, lighter, and extra clothes will keep you fed, warm, and happy!!!
I've killed and eaten a lot of snoeshoe bunnies and blue grouse (yes, it was legal) with a .45.
I've killed and eaten a lot of snoeshoe bunnies and blue grouse (yes, it was legal) with a .45.
HOPPY 590 - " ... steel wool is great for starting a fire if you know how..."
That really depends on how coarse is the steel wool. If you have #000, or #0000, yes, you can use the striker of the cigarette lighter to "get a coal," but if the steel wool is coarser than that, you've got yourself a REAL chore.
L.W.
That really depends on how coarse is the steel wool. If you have #000, or #0000, yes, you can use the striker of the cigarette lighter to "get a coal," but if the steel wool is coarser than that, you've got yourself a REAL chore.
L.W.
FieroCDSP
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I always find plane-crash movies/scenarios entertaining in a way. No one, I mean no one, ever thinks about repairing the radio. I'd think that in a party of five or six, on a plane, someone has to have a Swiss-army knife. The pilots typicaly have a few useful tools, for just such an adventure. Pulling the plane's battery, a few feet of wire, getting to the antennea, and rigging the radio (com, or transponder is better), is not a huge task. Even a few seconds of emergency code from the transponder would bring every plane, train, and automobile in hearing range running. Even if it's a 1 in 1000 chance of working, it's something to pass the time.
SamTuckerMTNMAN
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Would that mean you were killed on impact?
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Oohrah
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Sounds like more of a head trip then what would ya do? Kind of like
the trip years back of an officer for his school theises of " Would
you overthrow ..." Physco test or ? Marine cold weather training
at Pickeral Meadows in the high Sierras is pretty much real life. The
other is possible here is what we will do with your head today or
an ink blot test where there may be no wrong answers.
the trip years back of an officer for his school theises of " Would
you overthrow ..." Physco test or ? Marine cold weather training
at Pickeral Meadows in the high Sierras is pretty much real life. The
other is possible here is what we will do with your head today or
an ink blot test where there may be no wrong answers.
ctdonath
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I couldn't resist responding. Sent an email:
Stevie-Ray
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Alucard-ROFL
alucard0822
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This kinda reminds me of the professor from Gilligans Island with the "answers". I remember the guy could build a radio out of a cocunut, but couldnt fix the hole in the boat, seems a little backwards to me.
SoCalShooter
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re: DMK
I do...its for the bears.
I do...its for the bears.
Just a couple of points
After you get your shelter and fire going, think for a minute, you are in the SNOW, so, with a fire, no shortage of water.
And, reducing the number of items you can recover from the "plane crash" tio 12 is decidedly unrealistic. Of course, the game isn't about what you have to do to survive, it is about making decisions, and is designed to force you into a group consensus in order to get anything done.
I once had to play this kind of game at a company seminar. They gave us the "stranded on the moon" scenario, which of course avoids the temp. problems (your space suit keeps you from freezing), but introduces the "running out of oxygen" problem. Along with the rest of the crap, there were a pair of .45 cal pistols. I guess nobody puts any other caliber in a survival pack. Well, the game was intended for us to put all our supplies on a tarp, and drag it with us as we went for base. And the .45s were supposed to be used for propulsion! As a complicating factor, there wasn't enough oxgen for all of us to get home (we were supposed to make oxygen out of some of the supplies).
I (union member) happend to be stuck in a group of management types, who, of course had all the (wrong) answers. The didn't like my solution too much, which was, I would take the pistols, shoot the rest of them, and use their oxygen to get back on. They said I wan't a team player.
hey, I'm stranded on the moon with a bunch of people I don't care about, and like less. Screw team player. Upon further reflection, I decided not to shoot them (evidence), just to crack their faceplates, after all, they "died" in the crash!
It's a mind game, and any outcome other than the one they want is disallowed. Allit really proves is how poorly some people are prepared to think outside the box.
After you get your shelter and fire going, think for a minute, you are in the SNOW, so, with a fire, no shortage of water.
And, reducing the number of items you can recover from the "plane crash" tio 12 is decidedly unrealistic. Of course, the game isn't about what you have to do to survive, it is about making decisions, and is designed to force you into a group consensus in order to get anything done.
I once had to play this kind of game at a company seminar. They gave us the "stranded on the moon" scenario, which of course avoids the temp. problems (your space suit keeps you from freezing), but introduces the "running out of oxygen" problem. Along with the rest of the crap, there were a pair of .45 cal pistols. I guess nobody puts any other caliber in a survival pack. Well, the game was intended for us to put all our supplies on a tarp, and drag it with us as we went for base. And the .45s were supposed to be used for propulsion! As a complicating factor, there wasn't enough oxgen for all of us to get home (we were supposed to make oxygen out of some of the supplies).
I (union member) happend to be stuck in a group of management types, who, of course had all the (wrong) answers. The didn't like my solution too much, which was, I would take the pistols, shoot the rest of them, and use their oxygen to get back on. They said I wan't a team player.
hey, I'm stranded on the moon with a bunch of people I don't care about, and like less. Screw team player.
Upon further reflection, I decided not to shoot them (evidence), just to crack their faceplates, after all, they "died" in the crash!It's a mind game, and any outcome other than the one they want is disallowed. Allit really proves is how poorly some people are prepared to think outside the box.
ctdonath
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Heat? empty lighter + steel wool + axe (shaving dry wood into kindling) = fire.
The primary issue indeed is starting a fire - and using it wisely. I don't get the author's obsession with trying to burn dang near everything listed (even clothing); in the wild, there is no shortage of stuff to burn, but the stuff listed is severely limited.
Gathering fuel for the fire is probably the best way to keep warm; don't stand around the fire, keep moving and generate your own heat.
Put on the clothes. Given the scenario, it's freaking cold out there.
Signalling? Get 3 well-spaced fires started, and just keep adding foliage. Make sure they keep burning, and producing lots of smoke. This is the most visible signal available. A signaling mirror is great - IF that linear-effect signal is intercepted.
Water? As 44AMP notes, there's piles of it as far as the eye can see (given the scenario). The Crisco bucket would be useful, but it's full of Crisco. There's plenty of plane wreckage nearby, so use some metal sheets to form a bowl to melt snow in.
Food? I don't know why there's a bucket of Crisco in the plane, but there it is. That's a HUGE amount of edible energy. Kinda icky, but certainly enough to sustain you and several others until found.
Your need for food isn't great enough to require hunting (but if something ambles by, have at it).
It's a plane crash, so you'll be expected somewhere, your planned trip will be noted, and variations taken into account enough to activate searchers and see your signal smoke ... sit tight, fuel that fire, keep 3 columns of smoke going, eat Crisco, pocket the gun, melt snow, use the tarp for shelter, and keep that whiskey warm in your pocket for treating wounds and minds. Sounds like a nice vacation to me!
The worst thing about these exercises, as others have noted, is that they resist out-of-the-box thinking (you can only work with what is listed, not with what one can intelligently deduce about plane wreckage or environmental options or etc.), and are usually geared toward rule by a consensus of people who typically know little of the subject instead of identifying & respecting the objectively best solutions ... a good reason to make sure YOU are the one with the .45!
The primary issue indeed is starting a fire - and using it wisely. I don't get the author's obsession with trying to burn dang near everything listed (even clothing); in the wild, there is no shortage of stuff to burn, but the stuff listed is severely limited.
Gathering fuel for the fire is probably the best way to keep warm; don't stand around the fire, keep moving and generate your own heat.
Put on the clothes. Given the scenario, it's freaking cold out there.
Signalling? Get 3 well-spaced fires started, and just keep adding foliage. Make sure they keep burning, and producing lots of smoke. This is the most visible signal available. A signaling mirror is great - IF that linear-effect signal is intercepted.
Water? As 44AMP notes, there's piles of it as far as the eye can see (given the scenario). The Crisco bucket would be useful, but it's full of Crisco. There's plenty of plane wreckage nearby, so use some metal sheets to form a bowl to melt snow in.
Food? I don't know why there's a bucket of Crisco in the plane, but there it is. That's a HUGE amount of edible energy. Kinda icky, but certainly enough to sustain you and several others until found.
Your need for food isn't great enough to require hunting (but if something ambles by, have at it).
It's a plane crash, so you'll be expected somewhere, your planned trip will be noted, and variations taken into account enough to activate searchers and see your signal smoke ... sit tight, fuel that fire, keep 3 columns of smoke going, eat Crisco, pocket the gun, melt snow, use the tarp for shelter, and keep that whiskey warm in your pocket for treating wounds and minds. Sounds like a nice vacation to me!
The worst thing about these exercises, as others have noted, is that they resist out-of-the-box thinking (you can only work with what is listed, not with what one can intelligently deduce about plane wreckage or environmental options or etc.), and are usually geared toward rule by a consensus of people who typically know little of the subject instead of identifying & respecting the objectively best solutions ... a good reason to make sure YOU are the one with the .45!
DrDremel
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A few of my thoughts on the game.
Depending on the gun, using it as a hammer would not be a good idea. Is it a Glock? A Glock does not make a very good hammer since it is too light.
Is it a 1911? If so, does it have a light rail and surefire attached?
How many mags? Is is a single stack or double stack gun? Does it have a beavertail safety to prevent hammer bite?
What if it is an AMT Harballer that has an out of spec extractor hole in the slide and was being sent back to the purchaser because it was a POS?
What if it is a 1911 and it is a group of Glocktalk guys in the stranded group? None of them would shoot it since they all think it will malfunction anyway.
What if it is an old non-throated 1911a1 and the ammo is a hollowpoint design that will not feed right?
What if it is the other lost .45 Luger from the military trials that was found and was in the process of being FedExed to the auction house that will start the bidding at 1.2 Million dollars for it. If it is, and I found it, I am not only not going to use it for a hammer but wrap it up in something after covering it is crisco to protect the finish from any damage.
What if the loaded pistol is an semi-auto Thompson pistol with a 50 round drum? Not only would it provide a reasonable amount of signal ammo, but the barrel would get warm and it could be used to keep warm. Once the ammo is expended, it would be a better hammer than a 1911 or Glock.
What if it is a contender pistol in 45-70 with extra rounds on the sling and a scope? I am sure it would be able to down any animal you may encounter.
What if it is an STI gun all tricked out for IPSC and because it is so tight it will shoot ½ inch groups at 50 yards, it won't even fire because the entire gun is frozen?
What kind of idiot tries to use a gun as a hammer when they have an ax? I have not seen an ax yet that could not be used as a hammer.
Other thoughts.
If you do eat the crisco, you will need the newspaper to wipe your rear when it kicks in.
What kind of guy is going to stop and help a buch of weirdos in the middle of the snow covered in crisco trying to start a fire with a bottle of whiskey?
You must have crashed in a privately owned plane since no airline would let you bring a loaded gun or ax onboard.
If everyone is in clothes appropriate for a business meeting, You will have at least one laser pointer to use for signalling. You can use the screens from the cellphones as a light source.
If help is close enough to hear you yelling through a rolled up newspaper, then you should put the extra clothes on and get over to them. The whiskey can then be given to the rescuer then as thanks.
It is funny that the compass is so useless yet so many survival teachers, and survival kits include one of these dangerous items and teach people how to use them.
Depending on the gun, using it as a hammer would not be a good idea. Is it a Glock? A Glock does not make a very good hammer since it is too light.
Is it a 1911? If so, does it have a light rail and surefire attached?
How many mags? Is is a single stack or double stack gun? Does it have a beavertail safety to prevent hammer bite?
What if it is an AMT Harballer that has an out of spec extractor hole in the slide and was being sent back to the purchaser because it was a POS?
What if it is a 1911 and it is a group of Glocktalk guys in the stranded group? None of them would shoot it since they all think it will malfunction anyway.
What if it is an old non-throated 1911a1 and the ammo is a hollowpoint design that will not feed right?
What if it is the other lost .45 Luger from the military trials that was found and was in the process of being FedExed to the auction house that will start the bidding at 1.2 Million dollars for it. If it is, and I found it, I am not only not going to use it for a hammer but wrap it up in something after covering it is crisco to protect the finish from any damage.
What if the loaded pistol is an semi-auto Thompson pistol with a 50 round drum? Not only would it provide a reasonable amount of signal ammo, but the barrel would get warm and it could be used to keep warm. Once the ammo is expended, it would be a better hammer than a 1911 or Glock.
What if it is a contender pistol in 45-70 with extra rounds on the sling and a scope? I am sure it would be able to down any animal you may encounter.
What if it is an STI gun all tricked out for IPSC and because it is so tight it will shoot ½ inch groups at 50 yards, it won't even fire because the entire gun is frozen?
What kind of idiot tries to use a gun as a hammer when they have an ax? I have not seen an ax yet that could not be used as a hammer.
Other thoughts.
If you do eat the crisco, you will need the newspaper to wipe your rear when it kicks in.
What kind of guy is going to stop and help a buch of weirdos in the middle of the snow covered in crisco trying to start a fire with a bottle of whiskey?
You must have crashed in a privately owned plane since no airline would let you bring a loaded gun or ax onboard.
If everyone is in clothes appropriate for a business meeting, You will have at least one laser pointer to use for signalling. You can use the screens from the cellphones as a light source.
If help is close enough to hear you yelling through a rolled up newspaper, then you should put the extra clothes on and get over to them. The whiskey can then be given to the rescuer then as thanks.
It is funny that the compass is so useless yet so many survival teachers, and survival kits include one of these dangerous items and teach people how to use them.
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