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Switch carry ammo in cold?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Apple a Day, Jan 18, 2003.

  1. Apple a Day

    Apple a Day Well-Known Member

    I was wondering if anyone switches defense ammo from hollowpoints to ball ammo when the weather turns cold to improve penetration through extra layers.
    Anyone switch to heavier caliber for sake of penetration rather than concealability?
    Is so, let me know what you use and/or carry.

    WESHOOT2 Well-Known Member


    If you already carry the correct ammo and launch platform(s) you don't need to worry about the weather.

    It's -22F outside my door right now..........
  3. Guyon

    Guyon Well-Known Member

    The only reason I carry ball is to avoid rimlock in my P32.

    Larger guns get high quality FMJ loads.
  4. mrstang01

    mrstang01 Well-Known Member

    Uh, Guyon, FMJ is the same as ball.
  5. dfrog

    dfrog Well-Known Member

    No need to worry about extra layers during the cold months as long as you follow-up your body shots with one to the head.

    HSMITH Well-Known Member

    The HP ammo will work fine even through lots of clothes, if it doesn't the cavity will clog and you will have ball ammo performance from the HP. There is no reason to switch, if what you have works use it.
  7. sm

    sm member

    Once correct ammo and platform chosen, stick with it. Practice, repetition becomes habit, habit becomes faith.

    WS2, -22 uh? Ok my 16 this am not so bad, gonna make 35 for a high...I feel warmer already .

    WESHOOT2 Well-Known Member


    With the sun out we're gonna make it up to 3F.

    Serious: guns-n-ammo can act funny when it gets stupid-cold.
    Testing required.
  9. dfrog

    dfrog Well-Known Member

    You guys have it made. We are only getting up to 74 degrees today!:D
  10. Al Thompson

    Al Thompson Moderator Staff Member

    HS has it pegged (as usual). I use Gold Dots as they are fairly resistant to clogging. I tested some Hydra Shoks a few years back and had big problems with them clogging. Note, that when they clog the bullet becomes equal to FMJ or ball ammo.
  11. LWCmdr45

    LWCmdr45 Well-Known Member

    When I was living in colder climes, I'd sometimes carry a 9x19mm. in the summer, but only a .45 in winter. Even if the heavier clothing prevented expansion of the .45 JHP, it's still a .45! I personally don't carry ball ammo for self-defense. All my guns are thoroughly wrung out and confirmed 100% reliable with one or more brands of JHP, which have less chances of overpenetrating and ricocheting.

  12. Apple a Day

    Apple a Day Well-Known Member

    Okay, maybe I should specify

    This thread isn't aimed at those of us who consider a towed 105mm a "concealed carry piece". I was thinking more of the folks who live in the warmer climes and carry something more moderate, like a .32, .380, .38Spl. in a snub, or 9mm Makarov as a concealed weapon during warmer months.
    I am not looking for any "why would you want to carry a [insert something smaller than .308 NATO] when you could carry my gun, which was until recently only mounted on tracked vehicles" advice. :banghead: I was just curious if there were people who switched/when/to what/from what.
    I would like to see some actual data comparing a FMJ crammed with material to ball ammo and to bullets with a flat front. I suspect they perform more like flat point rather than round ball... a measurement of shades rather than colors but that is partly the aim of my curiosity.
  13. HSMITH

    HSMITH Well-Known Member

    Here is some info written by a member here (great job BTW Carbon15) on 38 special. http://www.handgunsmag.com/dynamic.asp?intSectionID=343&intArticleID=3310

    Just about any of the serious bullet testing is done on clothed test media. If you want to prove it to yourself and see it with your own two eyes an old sleeping bag will provide all the "jacket and shirt" material you could ever shoot up. Clay as a test media can be reused over and over and over. When the HP clogs with clothing the difference between a flat front of the HP and the round nose of the ball ammo is insignificant in penetration depth, at least in human bodies anyway. There just is not enough person to shoot through for a difference to be known.

    Just for clarification, FMJ stands for Full Metal Jacket, and is used in reference to Ball ammo in most instances, they are one in the same to most people. Ball projectiles are a rounded profile full metal jacket bullet. FMJ just denotes that the Jacket covers the entire front and driving band surface of the projectile. Ball/FMJ is designed to NOT expand.
    Hollow points, or HP, are projectiles that have a cavity in the bullet nose to aid in upset of the projectile on contact, expanding and transferring energy quickly.
  14. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    No. Carry .45 whether 99 and 99% humidity or whether God is busy killing bugs and disease.

    Actually HPs can perform as fmjs if nose plugs (depends, of course).

    WESHOOT is dead on. Test your weapon in all kinds of climate (easier for me because all kinds of climates transpire each week). Wear a white lab coat and carry a clipboard.
  15. blades67

    blades67 Well-Known Member

    I don't switch ammunition because of the weather, not even when I'm carrying my Mustang PocketLite.
  16. Dave Williams

    Dave Williams Well-Known Member

    I also

    do not change my carry ammunition because of weather.

  17. Apple a Day

    Apple a Day Well-Known Member

    I'd personaly like to thank LWCmdr45, the only person thus far to actually respond to the original thread. :D Okay, 15 responses later, one person switches from 9mm to .45.

    There just is not enough person to shoot through for a difference to be known. Shoot bigger people? Throw the little ones back? :cool:
  18. WhoKnowsWho

    WhoKnowsWho Well-Known Member

    dfrog: Isn't our weather horrible! :) Nice to not even have to worry much about thicker clothes here most of the time.
  19. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    What a perfect testament to poor performance capabilities of some calibers and weapon platforms...

    If the weapon platform you are using is so borderline that adding clothing for bad weather is going to be significant enough that you need to change to a different ammo, then you really need to look into carry a more powerful weapon platform.
  20. WESHOOT2

    WESHOOT2 Well-Known Member


    I think this thread was done after my first post :banghead:

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