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Tactical crap not so crappy?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Persuader12, Sep 8, 2013.

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  1. Persuader12

    Persuader12 New Member

    I'm always reading posts where people say not to load up your shotgun with a bunch of tactical crap and just leave it bare bones, and that all that other stuff just adds extra weight. But I contend that many of these items have legitimate purpose if people know what their purpose is. Hint: Looking cool is not one of them.

    Sidesaddle: For quick port reloads after your magazine has run empty. That's why it's in close proximity to the port, and also to the main loading area. With a shotgun's limited capacity, having extra rounds that can be loaded quickly is very important.

    Light: Don't want to shoot your 6 year old (or want to wait until he's a teenager)? Light is good in the dark, and it's pretty hard to hold a seperate light while using a shotgun. Having one attached to your gun is much better. Use a momentary one so it's not on all the time giving away your position to an intruder.

    These are 2 that are easiest for me to justify. Watching the "Art of the Dynamic Shotgun" trailer on youtube, you'll see that the trainers have all kinds of stuff on their shotguns, and those guys are masters at what they do. They'd be the last people to put stuff on their guns to look cool.

    Some people will put the above mentioned attachments and much more on their guns to make them look intimidating, without any idea about how to use them to much effect, in which case looking cool is about all the effect they'll get.
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2013
  2. sappyg

    sappyg Active Member

    OK.. So what's you're point?

    If I don't put these things on my sg am I some kind of a Neanderthal?

    To each his own but I'm not that artful or dynamic so I'm fine with my simple 00 buck in a run of the mill magazine on my simple run of the mill shotgun.

    Zombie much?
  3. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    No kids at home, enough ambient light from both inside and outside the house - if I need more than 5 shots from a shotgun, I need an AR

    Do what you want, just don't end up like this guy:

  4. Zardaia

    Zardaia New Member

    Missing the chainsaw on that AR . As for shotguns, do what you will short of actually degrading capabilities with too much crap. I can certainly see a light being good idea and maybe the extra saddle ammo...but like one said if u need more than 5 from a shotgun in HD, probably wishing for somthing more at that point.
  5. browningguy

    browningguy Active Member

    So we should load out pistols with only 5 rounds, or use 5 round hunting mags in our AR's?

    Just because if we need more than that we need something different???

    Personally I don't care if people think a cricket bat is all the protection they need. In my AR's I keep 30 round mags, in my XDm's 19 rounds, and in my HD shotgun 9 rounds.

    Pick what you want to use for HD, then rig it up the way you can use it best. Personally I want whatever gives me an edge, like a light for example.
  6. sappyg

    sappyg Active Member

    I think you miss the point.
  7. YZ

    YZ member

    A white light and a shellholder are entirely reasonable in a home defense sg. Things like lasers and night vision sights are perhaps too much.
  8. sappyg

    sappyg Active Member

    Dude, If I need more than 5 rounds of 00 buck for my fully loaded sg I probably need a doctor more than I need a sidesaddle with more buckshot. Just sayin.

    Flashlights are great. Have quite a few but, I don't think I personally need one on my sg..... If it works for you then great. Have at it.
  9. Inebriated

    Inebriated Active Member

    Tactical is practical.

    If something gives you a practical advantage, then go for it. I don't tell people what they should and shouldn't have on their guns. I will, however, challenge a person to show me where the practicality lies in items such as PGO guns, or 3 feet of rail space on guns meant for defending the home.

    My HD 870 usually is in its basic configuration. I will put a light on it whenever I get around to buying one, but otherwise, it's essentially stock. 7 rounds of 00 buck is enough for the home (have a few rifles to turn to if that isn't), and 7 slugs are enough for out in the woods. I like my Mesa 6-rounder. It's one of the best out there, but the weight is more than I care to lug around in the woods, and I've never found myself needing the extra 6 rounds, so it rarely sits on the gun.
  10. redstategunnut

    redstategunnut New Member

    You need a light on a home defense gun only if you care who you shoot.
  11. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

    Tactical is not home defense in my opinion. I cannot fault all of you who want to dress out your shotguns. Times have changed. I still have a fast draw rig for my Colt.
    If I thought I needed anything other than any of my standard hunting guns for HD, with plugs, I think I would move. I don't need any light, plenty of ambient. If an intruder is really alert, the last sound they ever hear might be that soft snick of the safety coming off. If I go to court I only want there to be one witness; me.
  12. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    No one said that did we? Try understanding something called swing dynamics - an AR is aimed and the mag weight is fairly centralized as is a pistol. The shotgun puts that extended mag way out front putting a lot of weight near the muzzle which makes it much harder to swing and utilize.
  13. zhyla

    zhyla New Member

    "I saw it on a Magpul video" is not a good answer to "why is this stuff hanging off of your shotgun?"

    I'm w/ oneounce. I don't mind carrying some extra rounds on my gun but I've shot thru the local shotgun match to understand that reloading shotguns in stressful situations is error prone and slow. I'd rather not put a side saddle on it, it's just one more thing to snag on something.
  14. Persuader12

    Persuader12 New Member

    Correct. That's one reason I didn't make that statement. What I did say was, "Watching the "Art of the Dynamic Shotgun" trailer on youtube, you'll see that the trainers have all kinds of stuff on their shotguns, and those guys are masters at what they do. They'd be the last people to put stuff on their guns to look cool."
  15. Persuader12

    Persuader12 New Member

    Then have a doctor next to your bed instead of the ability to reload, if that's what you think is best. I think it's better to have what you actually need. Just sayin.
  16. Fishbed77

    Fishbed77 Active Member

    They also have a vested interest in selling various firearm accessories and doo-dads, since, you know, they're in a Magpul video.
  17. Persuader12

    Persuader12 New Member

    But if you watch the videos and see how well these devices can be used effectively, and you learn to use them effectively yourself through training and practice, then they can be useful, and not just the "tactical crap" that so many people think they are. That's basically the point of this thread.
  18. YZ

    YZ member

    Advertising is a huge industry because its practitioners have the skill to persuade you that you need stuff when you don't. Every single one of us probably has fallen for a "must have" ad one time or another. They don't lie, they just accentuate the positive. Being skeptical about gun ads is a healthy attitude.
  19. Kingcreek

    Kingcreek Active Member

    I've been shooting shotguns for almost 50 years. I've shot many many thousands of rounds. I don't care what other folks think. I know I can shoot better without the any of the extra stuff mounted on my shotgun.
    I have an alarm, a large dog, and only my wife in the house. I don't need on board illumination or more rounds than the 5 in the tube. That will do for me and its never too far to the AR or a full size handgun.
    I also believe in your rights to pimp your guns up any way you want.
  20. allaroundhunter

    allaroundhunter New Member

    My HD weapons all wear lights. To me it's not tactical, it's practical. If others don't feel that they need a light on their defensive guns then that is perfectly acceptable as well. It means that they thought about it, evaluated it as a possibility, and decided against it.

    I do not have a side saddle because my shotgun holds 9+1. However, they can be useful and are not in any way impractical. If you use one, good choice. If you don't, good choice.

    I do not have an optic on my defensive shotgun. To me those are leaning much more towards unnecessary than the two previously mentioned accessories.
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