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Ted Nugent and Paula Zahn right now on CNN
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I give Ted credit for at least debating these jack-asses, but they will never get it. Check out what this guy had to say. Crazy!!!
ZAHN: So is banning handguns the way to prevent future massacres, like the one at Virginia Tech? Let's debate that now with rock guitarist and outspoken gun rights activist Ted Nugent, and constitutional lawyer Michael Gross, who wants semiautomatic weapons banned.
Good to see both of you. Ted, I'm going to start with you tonight by comparing some statistics between the United States and the U.K. going back to 2004. That's when 75 people were killed in the U.K. compared to 11,000 people killed in the U.S. So based on the population of the two countries, that means there are 30 times as many Americans at risk of dying from gunshots. So why not ban handguns here if there hasn't been a massacre in Great Britain since they were banned?
TED NUGENT, GUN RIGHTS ACTIVIST: Well, you're really comparing apples and grenades, Paula. Greetings to you. But I think what the argument is about is my right to defend myself versus people who don't think I have the right to defend myself.
Every one of these mass shooting have taken place in gun-free zones, which is the gun control -- the gun banners' dream scenario. But most importantly, I've just recently discussed the Scotland Yard report over in England. And in fact, since they've banned the private ownership of self-defense weapons, including handguns and shotguns and rifles, that the violent crime rate in England, most notably, the violent crime rate with the use of firearms in England, is at an all- time high.
We've got a different society over there. But as soon as you guarantee the unarmed helplessness of civilians, you have a red carpet welcome mat for the most violent, evil amongst us. And those of us in America who know that we have a God-given right to defend ourselves, we will not let that happen here.
ZAHN: All right. Michael, he's not buying into these statistic at all about how Americans are at much greater risk of dying because of all these handguns on the street. Why shouldn't I have -- or Ted have the right to defend themselves?
MICHAEL GROSS, SUPPORTS BAN ON SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPONS: Because we're killing each other with these guns. It is not just that we are at greater risk. Innocent people are dying by the hundreds every week in this country compared to down to one a week in those countries where they are banned.
And the statistics that the Nuge talks about are hogwash. The facts are simple. We're not in Deadwood anymore. Get rid of the guns. That time is over. And when the Second Amendment was written, which is being contorted by these people who say they have an absolute right to carry guns, there weren't even police forces.
Ask the cops whether we should have guns or not, whether vigilantes -- trigger-happy vigilantes should be out on the street. It is tough enough for cops to kill the right people when they're in a gun fight.
ZAHN: All right. Ted, I would like to read you something that the governor of Virginia had today when he acknowledged there was a loophole in the law which allowed someone like Cho, who had a history of mental illness, to get his hands on at least two guns.
Let's listen to what he had to say.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
GOV. TIM KAINE (D), VIRGINIA: ... was not committed to an institution. That information wasn't given to the database. And that's one of the things that we're looking at very immediately.
Less than half of the states currently share information about mental health adjudications with the national database.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
ZAHN: All right. While you so fiercely believe that every American has a right to defend herself or himself, will you concede tonight that there are cracks, that there are problems in this background checking process that would allow someone like Cho to get guns?
NUGENT: That makes my point exactly, Paula. What Michael Gross...
(CROSSTALK)
ZAHN: But should he have been able to get a gun?
NUGENT: What Michael would like to do is he would like to implement the bureaucracies that are failing us, to continue to fail us, and increase their failures so that they think they can protect us while the loopholes that they create won't allow me to defend myself. That's bizarro world.
ZAHN: All right. Now hang on a second. So you're saying there shouldn't be any change in the laws, that it was fine for his mental history not to have been revealed because...
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: No, not at all. No. That's not...
ZAHN: ... committed?
NUGENT: That is not what I'm saying at all. This guy was known to be a nutcase. In every instance, these people are known to be nutjobs from the academia to the mental health system, to law enforcement, to their own peers. Everybody was sounding an alarm.
This guy slipped through a bureaucratic crack that I'm not going to allow me to become helpless because they can't protect me.
ZAHN: Right. But how would you catch that bureaucratic crack?
GROSS: With his insane suggestion that students be allowed to have guns on campus to defend themselves against other students who are going to kill them. Talk about nutcases. That's insane.
NUGENT: I think good people should be able to defend themselves. You don't think people should defend themselves. But the ACLU that Michael represents thinks that men should have sex with underage children.
Michael, you're a nutcase. And I don't trust you to protect anybody, much less the... (CROSSTALK)
GROSS: I'm sorry that I don't speak for the ACLU. I certainly respect their organization.
NUGENT: You should be sorry.
GROSS: But you've got it wrong.
NUGENT: Because they're the problem.
GROSS: What you're doing is simply supporting the NRA. Everybody...
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: No, I'm supporting self-defense...
(CROSSTALK)
GROSS: ... knows that the era of guns are over...
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: Everybody in this country knows we have the right...
(CROSSTALK)
GROSS: ... since the sheriff took them, since the bartender took them.
NUGENT: ... to defend ourselves.
GROSS: Get out of here with these guns. We don't you want you killing innocent people anymore.
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: If you don't want to defend yourself, have at it. I'm defending myself.
(CROSSTALK)
GROSS: Our legislature is in the hands of the NRA.
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: Here's the bottom line, hey, Michael, we have the right to defend ourselves. Case closed.
GROSS: Bought and paid for. Otherwise, we would have laws that would prohibit the use of guns.
ZAHN: All right. You two...
NUGENT: I'm defending myself. ZAHN: ... I've got to cut this off.
GROSS: Well, then let's have a duel.
ZAHN: I'll bring you back for another duel. This one has got to end right now. Michael Gross, Ted Nugent, thank you both.
I give Ted credit for at least debating these jack-asses, but they will never get it. Check out what this guy had to say. Crazy!!!
ZAHN: So is banning handguns the way to prevent future massacres, like the one at Virginia Tech? Let's debate that now with rock guitarist and outspoken gun rights activist Ted Nugent, and constitutional lawyer Michael Gross, who wants semiautomatic weapons banned.
Good to see both of you. Ted, I'm going to start with you tonight by comparing some statistics between the United States and the U.K. going back to 2004. That's when 75 people were killed in the U.K. compared to 11,000 people killed in the U.S. So based on the population of the two countries, that means there are 30 times as many Americans at risk of dying from gunshots. So why not ban handguns here if there hasn't been a massacre in Great Britain since they were banned?
TED NUGENT, GUN RIGHTS ACTIVIST: Well, you're really comparing apples and grenades, Paula. Greetings to you. But I think what the argument is about is my right to defend myself versus people who don't think I have the right to defend myself.
Every one of these mass shooting have taken place in gun-free zones, which is the gun control -- the gun banners' dream scenario. But most importantly, I've just recently discussed the Scotland Yard report over in England. And in fact, since they've banned the private ownership of self-defense weapons, including handguns and shotguns and rifles, that the violent crime rate in England, most notably, the violent crime rate with the use of firearms in England, is at an all- time high.
We've got a different society over there. But as soon as you guarantee the unarmed helplessness of civilians, you have a red carpet welcome mat for the most violent, evil amongst us. And those of us in America who know that we have a God-given right to defend ourselves, we will not let that happen here.
ZAHN: All right. Michael, he's not buying into these statistic at all about how Americans are at much greater risk of dying because of all these handguns on the street. Why shouldn't I have -- or Ted have the right to defend themselves?
MICHAEL GROSS, SUPPORTS BAN ON SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPONS: Because we're killing each other with these guns. It is not just that we are at greater risk. Innocent people are dying by the hundreds every week in this country compared to down to one a week in those countries where they are banned.
And the statistics that the Nuge talks about are hogwash. The facts are simple. We're not in Deadwood anymore. Get rid of the guns. That time is over. And when the Second Amendment was written, which is being contorted by these people who say they have an absolute right to carry guns, there weren't even police forces.
Ask the cops whether we should have guns or not, whether vigilantes -- trigger-happy vigilantes should be out on the street. It is tough enough for cops to kill the right people when they're in a gun fight.
ZAHN: All right. Ted, I would like to read you something that the governor of Virginia had today when he acknowledged there was a loophole in the law which allowed someone like Cho, who had a history of mental illness, to get his hands on at least two guns.
Let's listen to what he had to say.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
GOV. TIM KAINE (D), VIRGINIA: ... was not committed to an institution. That information wasn't given to the database. And that's one of the things that we're looking at very immediately.
Less than half of the states currently share information about mental health adjudications with the national database.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
ZAHN: All right. While you so fiercely believe that every American has a right to defend herself or himself, will you concede tonight that there are cracks, that there are problems in this background checking process that would allow someone like Cho to get guns?
NUGENT: That makes my point exactly, Paula. What Michael Gross...
(CROSSTALK)
ZAHN: But should he have been able to get a gun?
NUGENT: What Michael would like to do is he would like to implement the bureaucracies that are failing us, to continue to fail us, and increase their failures so that they think they can protect us while the loopholes that they create won't allow me to defend myself. That's bizarro world.
ZAHN: All right. Now hang on a second. So you're saying there shouldn't be any change in the laws, that it was fine for his mental history not to have been revealed because...
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: No, not at all. No. That's not...
ZAHN: ... committed?
NUGENT: That is not what I'm saying at all. This guy was known to be a nutcase. In every instance, these people are known to be nutjobs from the academia to the mental health system, to law enforcement, to their own peers. Everybody was sounding an alarm.
This guy slipped through a bureaucratic crack that I'm not going to allow me to become helpless because they can't protect me.
ZAHN: Right. But how would you catch that bureaucratic crack?
GROSS: With his insane suggestion that students be allowed to have guns on campus to defend themselves against other students who are going to kill them. Talk about nutcases. That's insane.
NUGENT: I think good people should be able to defend themselves. You don't think people should defend themselves. But the ACLU that Michael represents thinks that men should have sex with underage children.
Michael, you're a nutcase. And I don't trust you to protect anybody, much less the... (CROSSTALK)
GROSS: I'm sorry that I don't speak for the ACLU. I certainly respect their organization.
NUGENT: You should be sorry.
GROSS: But you've got it wrong.
NUGENT: Because they're the problem.
GROSS: What you're doing is simply supporting the NRA. Everybody...
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: No, I'm supporting self-defense...
(CROSSTALK)
GROSS: ... knows that the era of guns are over...
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: Everybody in this country knows we have the right...
(CROSSTALK)
GROSS: ... since the sheriff took them, since the bartender took them.
NUGENT: ... to defend ourselves.
GROSS: Get out of here with these guns. We don't you want you killing innocent people anymore.
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: If you don't want to defend yourself, have at it. I'm defending myself.
(CROSSTALK)
GROSS: Our legislature is in the hands of the NRA.
(CROSSTALK)
NUGENT: Here's the bottom line, hey, Michael, we have the right to defend ourselves. Case closed.
GROSS: Bought and paid for. Otherwise, we would have laws that would prohibit the use of guns.
ZAHN: All right. You two...
NUGENT: I'm defending myself. ZAHN: ... I've got to cut this off.
GROSS: Well, then let's have a duel.
ZAHN: I'll bring you back for another duel. This one has got to end right now. Michael Gross, Ted Nugent, thank you both.
ArfinGreebly
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Gross
It looks like Gross is one of those "living document" fraud morons.
Debate degenerated into personal attacks, but Nugent seems to have held is own.
Not afraid to call a spade a spade.
Gross = "constitutional" lawyer?
Right. In his dreams.
It looks like Gross is one of those "living document" fraud morons.
Debate degenerated into personal attacks, but Nugent seems to have held is own.
Not afraid to call a spade a spade.
Gross = "constitutional" lawyer?
Right. In his dreams.
poor_richard
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Interesting how he accuses the Nuge of "killing innocent people", lumping law abiding gun owners in with monsters like Cho. Bigot.
GlenJ
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Isn't it amazing how liberals can accuse all gun owners of being killers. That's the same as saying all blacks steal, all Irishmen drink etc etc. Get the picture? It's another form of racism.
MilsurpShooter
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When the guest and the host of the show put forth facts from only one side of the story from the get'go it's only fitting to call that an ambush on Ted a'la Rosie and Selleck
pistolman1974
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GROSS: Well, then let's have a duel.
notice who wants to shoot who; and they say gun owners are violent.
They don't understand what it truly means to be a firearms owner.
If they did they wouldn't be so afraid.
notice who wants to shoot who; and they say gun owners are violent.
They don't understand what it truly means to be a firearms owner.
If they did they wouldn't be so afraid.
High Planes Drifter
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It appeared as tho the Nuge was doing quite well up untill the whole thing blew up.
poor_richard
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Not trying to chastise you or anything, but using the term "racism" so loosely is like throwing out the race card every time something doesn't go our way. Racism is a race based thing, whereas this has nothing to do with race (gun owners are not a race, they are a segment of society). The proper term is bigotry. Racists are always bigots, but bigots aren't necessarily always racists. Throwing out the race card where racism doesn't exist doesn't help the cause. This is not taking into account the racist nature of UnConstitutional arms infringements (still don't like calling it "gun control") in America, just the comments accusing all gun owners of being "killers".
Oohrah
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Ooh Rah Ted !!! We should have hundreds of thousands of him. This
bow hunter knows that bows and arrows will be next
Poor Richard,
Race ??? This has to do with granted rights and to be able protect one's
self...or not!:banghead: :banghead: To quickly place lefties on alert with
fact instead of prey on emotions is a talent to my thoughts! The man
fights for the right of us all without having to agree with his life style. No
rights, what purpose would THR have to express any interest in firearms?
bow hunter knows that bows and arrows will be next
Poor Richard,Race ??? This has to do with granted rights and to be able protect one's
self...or not!:banghead: :banghead: To quickly place lefties on alert with
fact instead of prey on emotions is a talent to my thoughts! The man
fights for the right of us all without having to agree with his life style. No
rights, what purpose would THR have to express any interest in firearms?
ctdonath
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Are we?
I haven't killed anyone.
Nobody has killed me.
Seems some people think it's OK to just fling out baseless accusations.
Problem with our side is that we feel compelled to analyze and respond to them.
Prince Yamato
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Damn liberals trotting out fiction like it's reality... AGAIN.
poor_richard
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I was merely pointing out that it isn't an issue of "racism". However, lumping all gun owners in with "killers" is most certainly bigotry.Dick Tylock said:
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