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Tell me about H&K Pistols

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Sgt.Murtaugh, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. Sgt.Murtaugh

    Sgt.Murtaugh Well-Known Member

    I was looking at one of these the other day, and it's a really nice gun. Obviously, like other HK products, it's incredibly pricey for a polymer pistol. The dealer was asking $1199 for it. At that price, I can get a really nice semi custom 1911!


    So do you guys have any experience with HK pistols? Seems like you are buying a name more than anything. Are they worth the extra money? I do have a Springfield XD(M) and it has never failed me after 2000 rounds of shooting and I actually haven't even cleaned it yet. I just can't see a gun getting so much better that it would warrant the extra $400-600 you would spend to get something with the HK stamp on it.

  2. 460Shooter

    460Shooter Well-Known Member

    You know man, I have been planning to start a similar thread. I'm interested in the HK45. Another member of the forum, who's opinion always seems to be rational and logical made a comment on another thread I started about the HK P7. He called it the myth of HK. I'm not trying to hijack your thread, but I'm going to invite him to participate in this one, as I am having the same issue you have, the price point. I love the gun, but $1000+ for a polymer gun seems really out of line, and I'm considering the XDm 5.25 as a result.

    By the way, that price is too high for that gun.
  3. Destructo6

    Destructo6 Well-Known Member

    For a "sub-compact", the SK really isn't much smaller than the, "full size" P2000.

    I have one of each in .40. They're okay, but I would not pay $1,000 for either. Maybe they're more durable in 9mm, but shooting full power .40 will break parts, some catastrophically, in 7k-10k rounds. I've done it twice.
  4. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine Well-Known Member

    Decent guns but overpriced.

    Because of their terrible customer service I wouldn't buy another HK if it did sell for a decent price.
  5. 460Shooter

    460Shooter Well-Known Member

    In another thread, PabloJ posted,

    PabloJ, I've heard a lot of fanboy talk from HK owners that say how they are the end all, be all of guns. Your opinion seems to differ in general. Your posts usually are well thought out and well written, so I invite you to chime in on this thread and share your impressions of HK, as I have the same questions about their guns in general that the OP has.
  6. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine Well-Known Member

    You also hear the same thing about Glocks.

    I own three Glocks, G19, G26, G33, G36 and owned a G17, and people have shot Glocks on my shooting range (about 19 guns I guess). EVERY Glock I've been in contact has malfunctioned.

    So..........don't pay too much attention to what the "fanboys" say.
  7. 2wheels

    2wheels Well-Known Member

    I recently purchased my first HK handgun, a used V3 P30 in 9mm. I got what I think was a decent deal for it, 980 bucks after taxes and fees and the gun came with 3 extra mags and a kydex holster. I had actually initially wanted the P2000sk but fell in love with the grip on the P30.

    I'm far from an HK fanboy, but my impressions of them is that they build a pretty darned good pistol. Are they expensive? Heck yeah. Are they worth it? Only you can decide, it's your money. You certainly can get the job done with a cheaper handgun.

    I probably wouldn't spend 1200 on the gun you're looking at though. Dealers around me were quoting 999 for a new V3 version.
  8. Devonai

    Devonai Well-Known Member

    I have owned both the USP Full-Size and Compact in .40, as well as the Full-Size in .45. I have a lot of love for these pistols, but (ironically perhaps) the high resale value made them too tempting not to trade when my eyes wandered elsewhere.

    These days, it seems like a used USP (or perhaps a P2000) is the only way to get an H&K product at a reasonable price. As the others have mentioned, there just doesn't seem to be any particular reason to spend more unless an H&K product is what you really, really want. I have been jonesing for a USP Compact 9mm lately but I don't really need one; ultimately finding a good price on a used example will be the deciding factor.
  9. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    While I've not shot any of my HK pistols enough to break anything, their customer support was helpful enough getting me the parts to convert a used early production USP from DAO to the "variant 1" DA/SA I preferred, prices seemed pretty reasonable too, but this was not a warranty issue.

    I tend to agree they are overpriced after actually shooting them, nice guns but nowhere near twice a good as the competition.
  10. mr.trooper

    mr.trooper Well-Known Member

    You should buy one of those Zastava Tokarevs.

    $230 gets you a battle proven pistol with excellent accuracy and reliability. It's not even big or clunky, but rather thin and svelt.

    How can a pistol possibly be better than that? Why on earth pay $350 for a used Glock when you can get the same accuracy and reliability for $120 less? Waste of money for nothing.

    And after all - its based on the 1911, which as everyone knows is the best gun ever invented. Its a win-win-win. The only way you can loose to buy anything else.

  11. usp9

    usp9 Well-Known Member

    Is this the same thing as a perceived difference between a $500 1911 and a big name 1911 at $4000? I suppose there is no difference in these guns either. Both work.

    I think you answered your own question. If you doubt the quality or value then don't buy a HK. Stick with what you're comfortable with.
  12. gym

    gym member

    That's why they make different colors.
  13. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine Well-Known Member

    Sometimes when she saw me buy some guns or gun stuff that seemed a little overpriced, my Wife used to ask me,

    "Do you really need this more expensive *********, or you just spending the money to impress the other kids at the range?"

    Truth is, my least expensive Kimber is just as reliable and shoots just as accurately as my high dollar Kimbers.

    Trying to impress the other kids can get expensive.:D
  14. Sgt.Murtaugh

    Sgt.Murtaugh Well-Known Member

    No, I didn't answer my own question because I'm not talking about "perceived value" I'm talking about actual value. Specifically, I mean what features are on an H&K that make it worth so much more money than the competition? Are they built with different processes or vastly superior materials?

    Your $500 vs $4000 1911 analogy is off base. A $4000 1911 has a laundry list of features on it that a $500 1911 doesn't have. Sights, grip, fit and finish, guide rods, springs, triggers, etc. On top of that, a high end 1911 has a lot more handiwork from actual gunsmiths and guys who put in a lot of time making the gun perfect. This simply doesn't happen with polymer/mass production pistols.

    From what I can tell with the HK pistols, it's just a higher price tag for the sake of being more expensive or exclusive. Then again, I did say "from what I can tell," hence this thread seeking others' opinions and information. Perhaps I am missing something and I've started this thread to find out what that may be.

    Judging by your handle, I can tell you like HK products and I'm not trying to knock them or their fans by any means. Please don't take it as such.
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2013
  15. PO2Hammer

    PO2Hammer Well-Known Member

    I've owned several HK's and they have all been 100% reliable, no excuses.
    Not a fan boy, I like Glocks, Berettas and Sigs too.
    I'm looking at P2000 9mm as my next.
    I think the quality is worth the money.
  16. boricua9mm

    boricua9mm Well-Known Member

    I've owned a couple of HK pistols. Currently, my only ones are the USP45f and the P7. Comparing a German made HK to a Croatian XD isn't much of an apples-to-apples comparison for a few reasons.

    For starters, you have to look at the culture of HK. They are a company that heavily invests in their workforce with the intentions of keeping those people around until they croak. They train their plant workers intensively prior to doing the actual job. This translates into a very high level of Quality Assurace & Quality Control that few other gun companies can even begin to approach. I don't know that HK has ever had to issue a recall on a firearm. Customer Service? Beats me, I've never had to use them, which is a bigger testament to the QA/QC that comes along with their products.

    When you buy a German HK, you're getting burned on the currency exchange rate. Springfield is the sole proprietor of the HS2000 here in the US (yes, it is still called the HS2000 over in Croatia) and their deal allows them to avoid the crazy markup associated with the weak US dollar. Skilled labor in Germany is much more expensive than it is in Croatia. The German workforce also enjoys a long list of legal protections that make US labor Unions look pathetic. In other words, running a manufacturing facility in Germany isn't exactly child's play.

    Feature-wise, HKs have cold hammer forged barrels with a service life of around 50,000 rounds. The steel they use is very high quality; they have a reputation for being extremely hard. In fact, refinishing an HK can be tough because the hardness of the steel doesn't always allow for an ideal finish. That's why you have extractors turning purple over time and you have the strange-looking slide stop levers. For some people, this is a deal-breaker for a gun of this price point, but most people don't buy an HK because they are pretty. For most HKs, you can have it your way when it comes to the trigger setup. I'd like to see them put out a new striker fired gun, but still, they offer a lot of versatility in their guns.

    I don't own any $1,000 HKs, but I will point out that a price differential of $400 is what...a case of ammo? For someone on a budget who is new to shooting, that $400 may be a big deal. For someone who is a regular shooter, that $400 is a pittance for a gun that will be shot with any degree of regularity.

    All that said, I carry Glocks. Heartless, cheap, ugly bricks with no soul, but they do the job and I don't have any emotional attachment to them.
  17. Devonai

    Devonai Well-Known Member

    I am a regular shooter, and I take exception to this notion. $400 is twice my monthly car payment and almost half my rent. It is hardly a pittance under any circumstances, unless you are a sponsored competitive shooter or independently wealthy.
  18. Sgt.Murtaugh

    Sgt.Murtaugh Well-Known Member

    thanks for the post, now I'm beginning to see some advantages to spending that kind of money. Cold hammer forged barrels are indeed a huge plus.
  19. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Really? ;) If you're absolutely certain they are ... in a way that will matter somehow to your shooting, then yes. For the vast majority of shooters, including winning pistol competitors, whatever rifling method the maker chose to employ will do just fine for FAR more than 50,000 rounds. FAR more. (If you Glock or xD, or M&P barrel is "shot out" at 50,000 rounds, demand a refund!)

    You can buy a lot of really solid and reliable handguns these days. Many makers will provide a pistol that will do all you could ask of it for as long as you can keep pulling the trigger.

    H&K's not different in that regard. No, their materials aren't far ahead of any of the other major players. No, their tolerances aren't dramatically tighter (without sacrificing reliability somehow). No, they won't run 100,000 rounds longer than their competition without parts breakage.

    It boils down to this: If you really appreciate the combination of features their guns offer, and the gun feels comfortable in your hand, and the price isn't too far outside your budget, buy it and be happy. If any of the competition's guns offer something you like a bit more, buy that instead. There's no reason at all to get an HK -- because it's an HK -- if something else fits you better or works in a more appealing manner.

    Personally, I look to what the winners are using in the types of competition I shoot for guidance when thinking about what features I favor in a handgun.

    "Practical" or "action" or "defensive" pistol shooting is dominated (i.e.: fast times and highest accuracy) by lower bore-axis guns that are striker-fired. So I don't tend to even consider bulky old style DA/SA guns like Sigs or HKs at all.

    In the end, all that matters is what you'll shoot fastest with the best hits. If that could be an HK, get it. If it isn't, don't buy the name.
  20. RainDodger

    RainDodger Well-Known Member

    Nearly all of my semi-auto handguns are 1911 pattern, other than rimfires. I own one single poly-pistol. It's an H&K USP Compact in 9mm, which I bought brand new in about 1996.

    It has never failed to function. It has handled all kinds of hand loads, as well as factory ammunition including some gov't issue +P that my agency had in stock for Uzi SMGs at the time.

    I'd never say other pistols cannot do the same of course. As said above, buy what you like and what fits your hand and budget. Be happy. I've been happy with my H&K. For a plastic gun, it's pretty nice. :)

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