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Texas hero, example to others

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by bowserb, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. bowserb

    bowserb Well-Known Member

    Gary, a LEO and one of the three who host Guns Over Texas, a weekly radio show on KSEV in Houston, posted this on the GOT blog in response to the Yahoo news story that those opposed to gun control would feel differently if they had been victims. Gary relates his experience and the story of Suzanna Hupp, whose parents were murdered in front of her, and who went on to become a Texas State Representative and author of the Texas Concealed Handgun License law. See also http://gunsovertexasradio.com/

    "I have heard it said on more than one occasion that those of us against gun control would feel differently if WE had been the victims of "gun violence" or otherwise had violence by an armed individual touch our lives. Folks, I take personal exception to that as a survivor of more violence than I care to remember (more than my fair share of fights, an attempted stabbing, and more than one drive-by shooting) . And I'd also like to remind these people that violence does not occur in a vacuum where the only people who are hurt are Democrats and liberals. We could argue whether or not their mindset of a willing victim means they are that much more traumatized but, that's another discussion.

    I have not been present for a mass-shooting...Don't want to be and hope I never have to deal with it. Chances are very high that I never will because I don't spend a great deal of time in places where these incidents are likely to occur (invariably Gun Free Zones) . But if you've never heard of her, I'd like to take a moment to turn your attention to former Texas State Representative, Suzanna Hupp. She too was a victim of violence. She was sitting in a Luby's with her parents when George Hennard crashed his truck through the front of the restaurant and began shooting people.

    When Hennard approached Hupp, she reached for a revolver (.38 caliber) she normally kept in her purse only to realize that it was still in her vehicle outside the restaurant. Hupp's seventy-one-year-old father, Al Gratia, rushed, unarmed, toward Hennard in an attempt to subdue Hennard and defend Hupp and her mother, Ursula. Mr. Gratia was fatally shot in the chest. Hupp tried to flee with her mother but, Mrs. Gratia stayed to cradle her fatally wounded husband Al and was ultimately executed by Hennard.

    Police arrived and exchanged fire with Hennard. Faced with armed force, like nearly all mass shooters, Hennard retreated further into the restaurant to commit suicide rather than continue to fight. Hennard had shot 50 people, killing 23 of them, including Suzanna Hupp's parents. It was, until the Virginia Tech shooting, the worst mass shooting in modern US history. But Suzanna Hupp's reaction and her story does not fit the narrative of Diane Feinstein or others who go so far as to arm themselves while simultaneously treating the rest of us as chattel that must be disarmed. In fact, rather than demanding more restrictions, Hupp demanded the right to defend herself rather than be a victim.

    I seriously doubt Ms. Hupp would suggest you or I go out hunting for mass shooters or act as police but, she championed concealed carry laws across the country. Why? Because she too had a personal stake in changing the law. Never again, would she be forced to wait her turn to be executed by a mass murderer. Never again, if she could help it, would someone have to watch helplessly, as their parents or other loved ones were killed like fish in a barrel because someone like Diane Feinstein would prefer they be a good victim.

    In closing; I offer this warning, those who propose limits on law-abiding people are not seeking to make things safer for the rest of us. These people have a self-serving agenda and there are many, well meaning people, who will go along with the program because it "seems" reasonable. Talk to them. Tell this story and be sure they hear both sides because they won't get it from the media.
    - Gary"
  2. bodam

    bodam Well-Known Member

    moving story. I wish people would just understand it
  3. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

  4. FiremanJim

    FiremanJim Well-Known Member

    The Luby's massacre in Killeen,I remember when that happened.

    Her efforts and the testimony of other survivors was one of the main reasons why CC became possible here in Texas.
    Of course, there was a LOT of people against CC too back then.
    It took a lot of effort to get it passed.
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2013
  5. bowserb

    bowserb Well-Known Member

    And the governor--Ann Richards--said she would forever veto any bill allowing concealed carry of handguns, adding that she didn't "know a woman who could find a lipstick in her purse, much less a handgun." I'm sure both of those things contributed to her loss in the next election to George W. Bush, who subsequently signed the Concealed Handgun License bill into law. Richards then disappeared into Consultantland--where I'm sure Sheila Jackson Lee would like to go...and we'd all like to see her go as well. That is, as soon as she gets her new bill HR 65 passed increasing the legal age to buy a handgun from 18 to 21. (Yeah, I guess no one told her that's already the law!)
  6. Water-Man

    Water-Man Well-Known Member

    A touching story but she's hardly a hero.

    The word hero is used too frequently and incorrectly nowadays.
  7. FiremanJim

    FiremanJim Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Ann Richards was a pretty vocal woman. And not a friend of CC gun owners.

    Your right, "hero" is used a lot.

    But for trying to save her mom, she was at least doing something heroic.

    So's anyone else who tries to help others, and I'm not talking about those of us who choose to help others as a profession.

    I'm talking about those who have died that day and every other time a mass shooting has occured trying to keep friends, family and even complete strangers from being killed by psychos.
  8. Deltaboy

    Deltaboy Well-Known Member

    She is a hero in TX because she restored a Right that was unjustly taken away.
  9. FiremanJim

    FiremanJim Well-Known Member

    Personally, I wish we could go back to open carry just like in the old west.
    At least here in Texas, it would actually fit the image tourists seem to think of us Texans walking around with six guns and still riding horses.
  10. Water-Man

    Water-Man Well-Known Member

    It's not just the tourists. It appears to be a good percentage of Texans as well if this forum is any indication.:rolleyes:
  11. Water-Man

    Water-Man Well-Known Member

    Another thing FiremanJim.

    I wouldn't put trying to protect your mother and laying your life on the line for 'others' in the same category, especially in determining an heroic act.

    Of course, we're all entitled to our own opinion.
  12. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Well-Known Member

    Maybe outside this topic, the words "Killeen massacre" or "Luby's murders" mean nothing to younger shooters.

    That realization never occured to me.
  13. FiremanJim

    FiremanJim Well-Known Member

    Well, I agree. "Hero" is a term used too frequently. And perhaps saving ones family doesnt nescessarily make you a hero. Of course, I'm pretty sure most families wouldnt agree with that.

    When it comes to family, it would be expected that we'd do everything in our power to preserve the lives of our loved ones, even if it means laying our lives down.

    Still, you gotta give people some credit for not running away and abandoning others even family when their own life was in danger.

    Maybe not a "hero". But " heroic" would be a decent description.
    Like you said, opinions vary.

    But I give credit to anyone who shows courage in the face of death and doesnt stomp over others in a mad dash for safety.
    Of course, I dont blame people for running either. You never know what your gonna do in the face of death, till it's right there in front of you.
  14. Alaska444

    Alaska444 member

    Huckabee did an in depth interview with her on his show tonight. Very informative. Wish she was still in congress.

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