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The 336 Club

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by AStone, Feb 24, 2007.

  1. JustsayMo

    JustsayMo Well-Known Member

    2nd range trip for the 336 CB conversion

    I was hoping for nicer weather, instead more wind and rain. Since I was there, why not shoot?

    The load that is emerging as the favorite is the Ranch Dog TLC311-165 bullet over SR 4756. The picture below shows three 50 yard groups each on a different notch on the rear sight elevator (2nd, 3rd and 4th up from the bottom). The point of aim was the bottom of the wide black ring.


    The Papa John load showed promise too though it printed about 5" high on the lowest notch at 50 yards.

    The Laser Cast 170 grain bullet shot well too.

    The Lee 113gr bullet over SR4756 or Red Dot didn't fair as well at the longer range. The conditions may have played a part in that. I will retest at a later date.
  2. JustsayMo

    JustsayMo Well-Known Member

    Another trip to the range with the 336 CB conversion

    I jumped at the chance to shoot without pouring rain, soggy targets and howling wind... I also wanted a chance to confirm my earlier findings. Here is how it went.

    Weather; overcast and calm wind.

    Rifle: Marlin 336 Cowboy conversion - Caliber 30-30

    Started out at the 50 yard range with a cold clean bore using the SR4756 load (~1400 fps)/ Ranch Dog TLC 311-165 RF bullet to confirm the zero I had established on the previous range trip. The first shot was about 2" high, the next shot was 1" high and the next three made a nice little <7/8" triangle right at point of aim.

    I fired another five shot group with the same load and it too shot point of aim but expanded to 1-1/8". Then another that printed POA inside of 7/8". This is the load I will use for for the Levergun Silhouette matches. Using the 5th notch and holding at the top of the back of the 200 yard Rams, it should topple them if I do my part.

    Next up was a middle of the road load using the same excellent Ranch Dog TLC 311-165 RF bullet - weighs in at 177 grains with this alloy, lubed and gas checked over Hercules 2400 powder (current versions of this powder are now made by Alliant). Using the same sight setting as the previous load (3rd notch up from the bottom on the elevator ramp) this load printed 5" higher at 50 yards. The first three shots formed a 2" triangle centered on the bullseye. Adjusting the rear sight to the second notch the next 5 shot group printed 2-1/2" above the point of aim into a 2" group. Not exactly the accuracy I was hoping for but well within the realm of minute of Deer vitals out well beyond what I'd take a shot on a critter. Using Veral Smith's formula this load should also penetrate more than 40" of critter minus bones. A quartering away shot through the boiler room and the offside shoulder should produce a dead Deer sized critter within rock throwing distance of the hit.

    A load that continues to impress is the 170 grain Oregon Trail Laser-Cast bullet over 5 grains of Red Dot powder. This load produced the best group of the day just over 1/2". Using the zero for the SR4756 load it prints 2" higher and 1" to the right. This load averages 1047 fps.

    The Lee C309-113 F "Soup Can" bullet over 2.8 grains (a .3 cc Lee powder Scoop) produced 1-1/8" accuracy at 50 yards and using the SR4756 load zero printed the slightly left (~1/2") of Point of Aim. This load looks like it will be my "Grouse load" for this rifle. At 25 yards it prints ~1" above point of aim, putting the bead at the base of the neck should produce a clean kill with no destruction of the delicious meat. When hunting with this rifle I will have at least a Grouse limit's worth in my pocket. The report is rimfire like and the recoil non existent.

    Returning to the SR4756 load it appears the 100 yard Zero is right at or just above the 4th notch. I did not shoot enough groups at this range to confirm that. Using my ballistic software I can estimate that the 150 yard zero is on the 5th notch and the 200 yard zero should be just below the sixth (top) notch.

    I also shot two groups worth off hand. The front bead just hangs on the target and I was able to call my shots. It will give me NO excuses in the matches for misses... Good problem. :D

    I am very pleased with the conversion and this rifle is fast becoming a favorite. Can't wait to get it back out to the range.
  3. ozarkgunner

    ozarkgunner Well-Known Member

    I bought my first 336c about a month and a half ago. So far I like it. Still getting it sighted in. It has some sort of fiber optic open sights. Getting better with it. Have to get used to it. I'm not really used to firing larger caliber rifles. It's fairly new. Anything I should know about it?
  4. Justang

    Justang Well-Known Member

    Add me to the list too. I just acquired a used 336 yesterday. I'm very excited, this is my first lever gun. I've been wanting a lever action .30-30 for a very long time.
    I haven't gotten to shoot it yet. It came with a scope, but I want just iron sights. I'm looking at the XS system right now. Any suggestions?
    Also, it looks like the rear sights aren't really there. There is a metal tang looking thing, but it isn't high enough to be used with the front sight.
  5. Sheepdog1968

    Sheepdog1968 Well-Known Member

    I put the XS sights on mine and like it. The company is very good and helpful. I have no regrets about using their sights.
  6. ozarkgunner

    ozarkgunner Well-Known Member

    My 336 is 30-30. I have been reading about rifles with companion pistols. Thiinking about it now, I should have tried to find one in a caliber that i have a pistol in. I have looked previously for rifles the use 9mm, but they are fairly expensive for my budget.
    I would love to get my hands a 336 in .357/.38 caliber or so, but they have all been nearly double the price of what I paid for my 30-30. The reasons for this are obvious to any one that has this set up. What other pistol calibers do the 336 come in? I would prefer to stay with a smaller caliber, .357 is about as big as I want to go. But I don't however want to go to a .22. I already have a marlin 60 and a savage bolt action .22 which share ammo with my browing buck mark.
  7. kiawahman

    kiawahman Well-Known Member

    I have a 9mm Hi Point carbine that shares ammo with my Taurus. Paid only $150 for it in like-new condition. It has it's 'nitch' for 100 yards & under. It's fun, dependable, warrantied for life, and cheap to shoot.

    It plays 2nd fiddle to the 30-30 though when there's serious work to be done, totally different ball park.
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2009
  8. Vicious-Peanut

    Vicious-Peanut Well-Known Member

    Kind of weird question here. I have shot my new 336C .35 rem at 100 yards, but I just cant see the target well enough. So I went to sight in today at 50 yards, but the range was full. (I need to join a private range) If anyone could tell me what notch the rear sight is on if they have their 35 rem sighted in for 50 yards with the 200 grain ammo (aside from leverevolution) that would be great. Don't worry, I will take test shots before I do anything with it, I just won't have a place to shoot it until tomorrow before I go to hunt.
  9. Northpack

    Northpack Member

    Dick's Sporting Goods is advertising a 336A .30-30 with a 3-9 40mm scope for $299. Two day sale 11/27 (Fri) and 11/28 (Sat.) That's the lowest I've seen with or without a scope. I paid $329 at Dick's a month ago and thought I weas getting a good deal.
  10. AStone

    AStone Well-Known Member

    If that's indeed an A and not a W, I'd snatch that up like a frog grabbing a fly. You could always ebay the scope if it's not a good one.
  11. Sheepdog1968

    Sheepdog1968 Well-Known Member

    I had an opportunity to go out this weekend to a range. I only shot at 50 yards as it was raining. With the XS Sights and the Hornady ammo, I was shooting 9" high at 50 yards with the rear ghostring all the way down. I will call XS at get a taller front sight and that should solve the problem. The one thing that surprised me a bit, I had a 20" bolt action rifle with me in .308. The bolt action had noticably less recoil than the 30-30. I did not expect that. I expected more recoil out of the bolt action.
  12. Cajun

    Cajun Well-Known Member

    Awhile back I posted a old pic of my Marlins before they had the scopes on them but I thought I would post a recent pic of them all decked out and ready to go!!!

    the 30-30 and the 444s have more scope than what they need but I already had them so I didn't have to spend the extra money!!!(First is the 308mx...scope is a Zeiss Conquest 3x9-50mm,Second is a 336c 30-30...scope is a Bushnell Scopechief 4x12-40mm,and the third one is a 444s...scope is a Simmons 8 point 3x9-50mm)
  13. emerson

    emerson Well-Known Member

    Greetings all,

    Last night I picked up a new 336SS. I’ve wanted one forever, and the price was too right to pass up.

    I would like to mount a Leupold scout scope on top of the ‘XS Lever Scout Mount.’ Now, I’m apparently having a vanity attack, because I see the Leupold scope is finished in Matte Black, Gun Metal Gray, and Silver. Does anyone know which of the latter two finishes would most closely match the stainless steel of the Marlin?

    Thanks all
  14. AStone

    AStone Well-Known Member

    There's an interesting thread over here about near-perfect rifles for hunting.

    .30-30 was included in the OP's original post (among 7).

    One respondent wrote,

    To which I responded with laughter.

    Thought members of this club might want to join the fray.

  15. Seaquester5

    Seaquester5 New Member

    I have a 336ss too and found that none of the scopes I looked at even closely matched the color of the stainless, so, I opted for the matte black Leupold 3-9 x 40mm and I like the contrast in color.
  16. Sheepdog1968

    Sheepdog1968 Well-Known Member

    I noticed you can get big loops on the lever. Outside of wearing gloves and looking cool, is there and advantage? Many thanks.
  17. easy

    easy Well-Known Member

    Big fingers fit better, even better with gloves.
  18. Badlander

    Badlander Well-Known Member

    Picked up A 1950 336A today For $250. Thought it was going to be A beater gun. When I got it cleaned up I found it to be in real nice shape. A stock refinish and she will be good to go.
  19. sam05

    sam05 Well-Known Member

    put me on the list, i joined on dec. 26, the family all knew i wanted to buy a deer rifle, been useing an old worn out sks, so they all tossed me some money and i went and got myself a 336w in 30-30, and i love it.
  20. BC1

    BC1 New Member

    Add me to the list too. I had a marlin 336 that I bought used back in 1988. I ended up selling the rifle a few years later, and always regretted it. I replaced it a few years back with a 336w. I just love that little rifle!

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