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The AR-15 Pistol

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Extremely Pro Gun, Oct 9, 2009.

  1. Extremely Pro Gun

    Extremely Pro Gun Well-Known Member

    What do yall with your infinite knowlege think about AR-15 pistols. These things are basacily SBRs with NO NFA TAX!!!! :D

    They will conceal up in a briefcase or backpack.

    And they use the same ammo and magazines as my big AR :D

    Where can I get the shorty buffer tube assembly for the pistol though? (A I am building one, hopefully on one of my stripped lowers.)
  2. PT1911

    PT1911 Well-Known Member

    a rifle has a buttstock... the AR pistol does not. to me they seem clumsy and impractical...
  3. MM60

    MM60 member

    AR pistols are awesome! I have the Bushmaster Carbon-15 P97S and I frequently take it camping, hiking, kayaking, etc. The buffer tube can be used to make a cheek weld, and with practically no recoil - your nose can be an inch from the receiver without the receiver hitting you in the face. I have easily grouped shots within an 8" circle at 100 yards this way. I keep a 20-round Colt magazine in it at all times for a lower profile, but I have plenty of 30-rounders for it too.
    I am not certain about where to get a shorty buffer tube assembly to make your own pistol. My recommendation would be to just buy a complete pistol from Bushmaster http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ-C15P97S.asp or Olympic Arms http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37&vmcchk=1&Itemid=37.

    You won't regret it!
  4. zignal_zero

    zignal_zero Well-Known Member

    my biggest concern was - barrell length affects velocity, a 5.56 with no velocity is just a light projectile.

    i can totally understand, and actually share, the desire to own a riflish pistol. however, i'm leaning towards an AK pistol just for the added projectile weight.
  5. MM60

    MM60 member

    If you're just interested in a pistol that will shoot rifle cartridges, the T/C Encore will fire any caliber you like. The barrels are 15" long, so they actually have slightly more power than the standard LEO/military M4 carbines - which have 14.5" barrels. The T/C Encore is very compact and has an extremely low profile. But it doesn't allow for fast follow-up shots - that's what the M4 pistol is for. I think it would be plenty powerful and accurate enough to use practically out to 200 yards.
  6. CleverNickname

    CleverNickname Well-Known Member

    You're in Texas, pay the $200 and put a stock on it. It's worth it. 5.56mm out of a really short pistol-length barrel (usually 7" on AR pistols) is sort of pointless though.
  7. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy Well-Known Member

    I have the Bushmaster Carbon-15 P97S and I just love it. It is a fun gun at the range, but you can run through a lot of ammo just playing with it - especially with the cmag attached!

    I recommend putting a green laser on it if you want to shoot it acurately from the hip. This makes it a blast to shoot without trying to sight it like you would a rifle.


    I've since added a neoprene sleeve to the buffer tube, a one point sling, and a foregrip - all three items make it much easier to handle/shoot acurately.
  8. PT1911

    PT1911 Well-Known Member

    how difficult are these things to shoot accurately for most?
  9. Mags

    Mags Well-Known Member

    You might want to remove that foregrip unless of course you paid your tax stamp.
  10. nalioth

    nalioth Well-Known Member

    He said "foregrip", which is something that lots of pistols have. Synonymous with "hand grip" "fore-end" and "hand guard".

    The term you're throwing him in jail over is "vertical foregrip", which is a no-no on regular hand guns.
  11. Mags

    Mags Well-Known Member

    I don't know what he is talking about but if it is a "vertical foregrip" then he does need to make sure he is legal, and no most pistols don't have foregrips but alot of rifle caliber pistols do.
  12. nalioth

    nalioth Well-Known Member

    You can see the picture, right? No VFG present.

    Nobody said "most". I said "lots".

    Every AR15 pistol I've ever seen has one (pistol and rifle calibers). It's the part that keeps you from burning your hand on the barrel.
    AK pistols have 'em too (pistol and rifle calibers)
    So does that new-fangled Sig 556 pistol thing.
    Thompson-Center Contenders have had 'em for decades (pistol and rifle calibers).
    The Ruger Charger has one.
    The Linda pistol has one.

    Not all of the above are "rifle caliber pistols" (not sure what a "rifle caliber pistol" is, anyway). A pistol is a pistol.
  13. Mags

    Mags Well-Known Member

    Look man, I am not trying to start a fight. I am just saying if it is a vertical grip he needs to make sure he is legal. He also says under the picture he has since added a foregrip.
  14. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy Well-Known Member

    Settle down kiddies - I have the tax stamp for my verticle grip.

    I shoot at my local homeland security range next to law enforcement types almost every other weekend. No way am I taking chances with questions over legality.

    (however stupid a law it is, in my opinion)
  15. Maelstrom

    Maelstrom Well-Known Member

    $200 for a handgrip.....
  16. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy Well-Known Member

    $200 bucks beats 10 years all day long (that's only $20 per year)...
  17. Prince Yamato

    Prince Yamato Well-Known Member

    $200 for a handgrip..... and bragging rights. :D
  18. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy Well-Known Member

    It boils down to the lack of comfort level I was having with the pistol without the foregrip.

    It is much more comfortable, shootable, controllable and accurate with the foregrip. $200 was well worth the gains made.

    If dollars were an issue - I wouldn't have bought a $1000 toy with a $250 magazine attached to it. :cool:
  19. kwelz

    kwelz Well-Known Member

    I find them pretty useless except as the perfect starting point for an SBR.
  20. 496 polara

    496 polara Well-Known Member

    I had(and sold)the kel tec plr16.It is a hoot to shoot and groups reasonably well with iron sights.Not that you will be shooting it much like a rifle though.
    The laser is a good idea.It is'nt very practical for defense unless you spend a lot of time practicing from the hip.
    It is a fun range/back yard gun.
    When I saw it I had to have one.After shooting it I kind of lost interest in it.It is very loud.

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