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The latest gun bill!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by BlackArrow, Jan 2, 2003.

  1. BlackArrow

    BlackArrow New Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Planet Earth
    This is a must read from http://guned.com/pages/news.htm
    Tuesday, December 31, 2002

    We want to help notify every gun owner in Indiana. One of our good friends e-mailed us this information:

    House Bill 1011
    2003 Regular Session
    12/31/2002 09:23:30 AM EST

    Latest Information


    Ban on assault weapons. Provides that the manufacture, importation, sale, or possession of ammunition for a machine gun, an automatic weapon, or a semiautomatic weapon is a Class C felony. Creates enhanced criminal penalties for a person who commits certain drug offenses while in possession of an automatic or a semiautomatic weapon.

    Current Status:
    First reading: referred to Committee on Courts and Criminal Code.

    If you noticed, this Bill describes outlawing "semi-automatic" ammunition

    Here is the author:

    Vernon G. Smith
    Commie's Website
    Last time I checked there were many calibers of ammo appropriate for semi and auto weapons. What it leave us is black powder. Any questions? These are Reasonable gun laws don't you know! :banghead:
  2. garrettwc

    garrettwc Participating Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Another one just as bad

    I'll add this one to the list, directly from the Indiana General Assembly website

    House Bill 1017


    Handguns. Requires the completion of a handgun safety course before a person may receive a handgun license. Amends the definition of dealer as it relates to the sale of handguns. Requires a handgun dealer to wait seven business days after obtaining background information from a prospective handgun purchaser before selling, renting, trading, or transferring a handgun to the purchaser. Prohibits a person from purchasing or otherwise obtaining more than two handguns during a calendar month.

    Currently if you have a CCW there is no waiting period. 7 day wait before renting a handgun!!?? No more rentals at the range.

    The text of the bill says all of this would apply to sales at gunshows as well. No more Indy 1500.

    And the name on the intro to Commitee yep the same Vernon Smith. There are a couple more on the General Assembly website.

    Wake up Indiana!! The bliss ninnies are attacking!!:fire:
  3. AZTOY

    AZTOY Participating Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Fort Wainwright Alaska
    I put new bill info on a few other gun sites.
  4. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 19, 2002
    Wow. If that bill mentioned by Blackarrow passes, it means anyone with a .223 for a single shot rifle is guilty, as is anyone with a .308 Winchester or a 30-06, 9mm, 45 acp, etc.
  5. WonderNine

    WonderNine member

    Dec 27, 2002
    always offline!
    Handgun license. LOL :) :) :)
  6. chaim

    chaim Senior Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Baltimore, MD
    Your two bills introduced by that guy have me thinking. Maybe we can target a couple states at a time but I think I have an idea.

    How many members do we have so far? Almost 2500. Given that TFL just closed down and this site is only a week or so old it is pretty safe to say that it is 2500 pretty regular members. If 20% of us really care enough to do something that is 500 people.

    I live in a state that has potential (even much of the Democratic Party from the rural parts of the state are pro-guns and most suburban counties are realitively conservative) but the anti-gun far left legislators from Baltimore City, Montgomery and PG counties and Annapolis control everything. It would be possible to come close to a majority on some pro-gun issues already if the issue ever got to the legislature (the leaders have more control here than in most states on what can be considered).

    Things like this aren't really that uncommon. In most states it is really only a few activist legislators who hold back pro-gun bills and push through anti-gun bills (and with the sheer volume of anti-gun stuff tend to get a few through, especially in liberal leaning states like MD, NY, NJ and CA where even the conservative sometimes vote for the "watered down" versions to avoid looking like zealots).

    Lets now, a ways before the next elections cycle start to identify who some of those activists are. Lets pick one or two per state who seem to be the worst. Then lets put our money into their opponents' campaign chests (Democrat or Republican) and get them defeated. I say concentrate on the general election unless it appears that there is a good chance to get them out in the primaries, so as to take our best shot and not dillute our money.

    The money won't be from the NRA so opponents can't say that they now owe anyone anything. We will all have a chance to have an impact in a powerful way on some of the worst legislation that we all keep hearing about (defeat a few of the activists per election and eventually the others in self preservation mode will give up trying to ram more anti-gun legislation down our throughts). I know bigger organizations already do this but again, they are sometimes too visable- it carries baggage as well as aid. Also, droves of individuals from across the nation giving to pro-gun candidates (or against anti-gun candidates when there isn't anyone good to give to at least giving to someone less bad) instead of organizations giving to them will send a great message to the country.

    We need to wake up, and meetings only won't do it. Only giving locally won't do it. If suddenly pro-gun candidates in local and state elections all over the country start getting money from individuals (and not groups) from all over the place that will hopefully wake people up.

    We can all do something quite important this way. I'm pretty broke myself but I can tighten the belt and give $50 to 3 or 4 candidates and if we can get enough people to give what they can (even only $50-100) to several candidates we can make a difference. We have 2500 members here, if only 500 of us give $100 that is $50K going out there to make a statement, if 500 of us give 4 candidates $50 ($200 total) that is $100K just from The High Road. If you like this idea talk it up among ourselves. Talk to people on your other gun forums you frequent. If we can get this going (and most importantly, coordinated) and get money funnelled into one candidate per state to oppose the worst anti-gunner per state this could become something big.
  7. gun-fucious

    gun-fucious Participating Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    centre of the PA
    a few Patriots CAN make a difference

    We helped defeat the Maryland Speaker of the House by 74 votes
  8. PATH

    PATH Senior Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Rockland, New York
    I wholeheartedly agree!
  9. El Tejon

    El Tejon Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    Vernon's out to help his gang banger buddies in Gary again. Geez.

    It will die in committee again. Everyone write and call their representative and senator a couple of times this upcoming session.
  10. 2nd Amendment

    2nd Amendment member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Don't get too excited over this. As KS notes, it's dead in the water. If I recall right this clown has introduced several things of this stripe over the years and they all die aborning. Still, it provides a good opportunity for Indiana gun owners(most of the population of the state) to make noise and make certain the policritters understand who is still in charge here.

    This ain't the Occupied Territory of the Peoples Republik of Illinois.

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