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The Long Nose of .gov

Discussion in 'Legal' started by oldfart, Jun 22, 2006.

  1. oldfart

    oldfart Well-Known Member

    My youngest daughter made a mistake awhile back and last week she had her baby. It was all paid for by private insurance and all healthcare for the forseeable future will be too.
    But today a nurse from the County Health Department came by to see if everything was ok. She was a fairly nice lady and just trying to do her job, but when she asked if there were any guns in the house she got an earfull. Both I and my daughter are shooters and we really unloaded on her. When we were through affirming that there were indeed guns in the house she wanted to know if they were locked up and the ammo stored in another location.
    Round two went something like this; 'I don't know where you live but here in 'Felony Flats' a gun is as neccesary as a lawnmower. What the hell am I supposed to do when a bad guy kicks in my door, ask him to wait until I can unlock my gun and get the ammo? There is hardly a night when there isn't some gunfire somewhere within hearing distance. I'm too damned old to try to go hand-to-hand with anybody so I need some sort of an advantage. If someone should try something while I'm gone I want my daughter to have the same advantage.
    Yes, we have guns. Yes, they're loaded and no, they're not locked up.
    Any more questions?':cuss:

    So, how'd I do? I hope the language doesn't burn out the censor program but this was one time I thought it was neccesary.
  2. fixyurgun

    fixyurgun Well-Known Member

    Good for you!! An unloaded gun is a poorly balanced club(imho) jim
  3. Roadwild17

    Roadwild17 Well-Known Member

    No, it depends; an unloaded handgun is more like a metal (or metal/polymer:D ) boomerang.
  4. WT

    WT Well-Known Member

    You did good.

    And I hope mother and child are doing fine.
  5. TallPine

    TallPine Well-Known Member

    "Yes, everything is ok. Have a nice day - bye now.":p
  6. Dave P

    Dave P Well-Known Member

    "nurse from the County Health Department came by ... just trying to do her job"

    What the heck is her job? Why was she there in the first place? :fire: On who's authority? Maybe you should have told her to MYOB at the front door.

    But anyway, good for you for speaking the truth. I hope it doesn't come back to haunt you, as in .gov removing the kid from your BAD home.

  7. longrifleman

    longrifleman Well-Known Member

  8. kludge

    kludge Well-Known Member

    This is actually becoming more prevalent (doctors, etc. asking if you have guns in the house).

    Since when did healthcare workers become gun experts?

    My response? "Do you have any healthcare related questions for me, doctor?"

    Or maybe I'll just say, "Nope."
  9. Mr. James

    Mr. James Well-Known Member

    Ahh, superannuated flatulence, now you are in their permanent files.

    Honestly, that is no way to speak to an agent of the omniscient State! Such impertinence will never do. No, not at all. Expect the HRT to make the next house call.

    Jokes aside, I'm sure the lady duly noted that unfit [grand]parents are keeping a newborn child in an unsafe domicile. :scrutiny: :uhoh: kludge had the right answer.

    But huzzahs, nonetheless, for putting the nanny-state minion in her place.

    And congratulations on the birth of your grandchild. God bless mother, child, and you!
  10. Gordon Fink

    Gordon Fink Well-Known Member

    She was probably there to make sure the baby wasn’t being neglected, abused, or molested. Our elected representatives are just being “tough on crime,” don’t you know?

    ~G. Fink
  11. Smurfslayer

    Smurfslayer Well-Known Member

    No warrant, no entry, no speaky.

    I've instituted a policy I call "no warrant, no joy". It doesn't matter who it is, be it a county building inspector, cop, county health, state whatever... If they're not a guest, they're getting nothing but a polite refusal to even identify myself. If they have benign reasons for being there, that's another matter - "Hi, I'm officer Smith, there was a sexual assault in the barrio last week, here's a sketch, if you saw anything call us at this number" ... no problem. If I invite them, of course I'm with their being there... but that's it.

    The only other exceptions are the local HS, boy scouts and Girl Scouts (Must have the thin mints....)

    Don't be surprised if the write up contains words like separatist, gun nut, wacko or some such... Frankly, if what you said is even remotely close to true it might be good to have a lawyer follow up with them to make sure your interests are fairly treated.
  12. v8fbird

    v8fbird member

    Leviathan does not own your daughter's child.

    They either have a warrant, or they do not. That makes dealing with the state simple.
  13. Kim

    Kim Well-Known Member

    I would find out how they got the permission. At the hospital where I work they say something like this to the new Mom " There is a program where a nurse will come to your home in one week to see if there is anything you need and we will check on the baby to see if everythng is O:K --------Would you like this free coutrsey call at your home at no cost to you?????????????? Doesn't that sound just wonderful. I think they only offer it to medicaid patients however. Your daughter might have just been given a form and told to sign it when she was having a hard painful contraction. I woud find out by asking the hosptial what their policy is... I would just have told her that her services were fortunately unneeded as YOUR daughter has a paid nanny who is a certified nurse. And make sure you look down your nose at them. But you did good as you told them what you thought. ;)
  14. Rabbi

    Rabbi Well-Known Member

    I don't owe the truth to those denizens of the gummint. I would throw up my hands and shriek and whine .............. "Are you crazy? Guns here? I am terrified of guns .............. that's why we have the police".

    Just usher the doofus liberal bee-yotch out onto the porch. Don't reference your iron in any way whatsoever.

    We don't owe the spinners any truth.
  15. gc70

    gc70 Well-Known Member

    I don't remember anyone visiting my house after my sons were born, nor was there a home visit from the government when my grandchild was born.

    What's the proper response to a post-natal visit from a County Health Department nurse? "Have a nice day." {door slams}
  16. shooter94

    shooter94 Well-Known Member

    That's highly disturbing...just out of reflex from living in California I would have said "no guns here...have a nice day." :uhoh:
  17. Parker Dean

    Parker Dean Well-Known Member

    While personally satisfying I'm sure, I fear this was a huge mistake. No doubt this nurse left your daughter's place and immediately filed a report with the local equivalent of Child Protective Services. Perhaps they are even now organizing a 4am no-knock raid with the Sherriff's Dept. For the childs safety, of course. :)

    Hyperbole aside, I would expect that you haven't heard the last of this.
  18. oldfart

    oldfart Well-Known Member

    No, Parker, I don't suppose I have heard the last of it, but have any of us?

    As some have suggested, my daughter invited the county to come by. I didn't know anything about it until she walked up on the porch. At that point I was left with two bad choices; I could throw her off the property and risk having her report me as abusive, or I could let her in and put up with her BS. I did a pretty good job until she asked the 'fateful' question, then I decided to throw caution to the winds and stand up on two legs. I'd already had a bellyfull of crawling and kowtowing in the ever more faint hope they'd leave me alone. I'm jusat plain tired of rolling over and licking the hand of whatever government agent happens to be reaching for my leash. I'm tired of telling them what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear. I'm especially tired of listening to them tell me what's good for me while they're forcing me to pay for their always-expanding "programs".

    Looking back at the incident now, I believe there were several other ways I could have handled it, ranging from kissing her unlovely butt to killing her and burying her in the backyard. My stomach turns at the prospect of the one possibility and I don't know what I'd have done with her car if I'd taken the other. Fortunately, at 72 years of age, there ain't a helluva lot they can do to me. If they kill me they'll only do me out of a few more years and those years will probably be something less than what I really want to live through. If they come in and try to take the baby they'll have to kill me and then put up with my daughter who is a better shot than I am.

    Edited to add this quote:
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
    H. L. Mencken

    My sig says it all.:cuss:
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2006
  19. Hawken50

    Hawken50 Well-Known Member

    ohh man, you are soooo on double secret probation now!

    alot of people say "just lie and say no." i say give them what they're looking for. they want the info for thier precious statics on how evil guns are. every "good" gun owner bends the curve in our favor, showing how guns are not really evil at all.

    but yeah, double secret probation.

    edit to add- oh yeah, congrats!
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2006
  20. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Well-Known Member

    I am torn between both sides on this one. I have friends that live in "felony flats" and I agree with your 100% on needing to keep at least 1 loaded weapon close at hand. I am also sick of the gub'ment sticking their big noses where it doesn't belong. I bet most of us over 15 were raised with more and easier accessed guns but we managed to survive so the tools aren't the problem.
    On the other hand your RKBA tirade may have been a bad idea for the following reasons:
    1. It may have put you on some sort of "watch this crazy person" list or have child services alerted.
    2. She may have been a pro-RKBA person and just asking the questions she is paid to ask (although i'm sure you could have determined that by the way she reacted so I doubt it).
    3. Even if you convince her and make her see the light, what power does she have? At worst she's an anti that thinks you are dangerous. At best, she'll go back to work and launch into a pro-RKBA speech to her superior but neither will likely do you any good.

    It does feel good to vent and let these people have "both barrels" :p once in a while. I hope everything's cool and that's the last you hear of it.

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