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The next time someone says "no one uses an AR to hunt"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mastiffhound, Feb 18, 2013.

  1. palmrose2

    palmrose2 Well-Known Member

    One of my nephews bout shat when he saw me wielding a bone stock Saiga 7.62x39 while hunting deer. He hasn't seen it since I've converted it to it's more natural ergonomic configuration. I imagine he may just faint at the sight of it.
  2. Akita1

    Akita1 Well-Known Member

    Not sure I agree - freedom comes first, then hunting (and yes, I am an avid hunter and use ARs to hunt). 2A is not about hunting, it's about freedom from tyranny. Hunting with such tools granted under that banner is a fringe benefit.
  3. gym

    gym member

    They are used for every purpose including hunting people if they try and break in your house or the need arises for people to defend the country against ,tyranny, "foreign or domestic", of any type, along with getting dinner, and sporting purposes.
    It's the swiss army knife of rifles.
  4. mcdonl

    mcdonl Well-Known Member

    The anti's are doing their best to seperate us from Sportsman and we are not helping. If they are going to continue to use "hunting" as the item they are trying to protect than we need to use sportsman to fight with us.

    An example is in my State, I am working with the Executive Director of the Sportsman Alliance of Maine to visit my gun club, and others in the area to share the merits of the AR platform with hunters.

    Spread knowledge, not fear and hate. Let the anti's do that.

    We need to stick together. Trust me... hunters want to defend the 2nd amandment as much as anyone.
  5. jerkface11

    jerkface11 Well-Known Member

    55gr hunting bullets exist and work wonders on whitetail.
  6. SoCalNoMore

    SoCalNoMore Well-Known Member

    I don't hunt, but if I needed to I am sure my Colt AR would do just fine.
  7. ssyoumans

    ssyoumans Well-Known Member

    I took a 6pt GA buck last November with my AR15 in 6.8 SPC II using a 95gr TTSX hand load. It does the job very well. Plan to take it hog hunting this year.
    I took deer last year with a muzzleloader, 243 Win and the 6.8. I chose taking the 6.8 over my 308 bolt action. I think her feelings were hurt :D
  8. HOOfan_1

    HOOfan_1 Well-Known Member

    Or...."you really don't know anything about guns, and probably should educate yourself before you start spouting off"
  9. Tirod

    Tirod Well-Known Member

    The argument used by some - AR's aren't used for hunting - does need to be addressed. Those who say it are repeating 1) a lie, and 2) are completely uninformed. And, I hear it from gun guys, too. The president of the National Turkey Federation said it the other day.

    One thing they like to point out is that "nobody needs a 30 round magazine to hunt." Which completely ignores the fact most states have a capacity limit of 5 to 10 rounds regardless. That needs to be pointed out - it's a major tell they aren't a hunter, or are deliberately ignoring the facts to support their emotional rant. We need to get them thinking - not arguing among ourselves. They are wrong regardless, stick to the real problem.

    When people say AR's aren't used for hunting, my next question is "Do you hunt?" Likely, if they aren't feeling threatened, they answer no. Don't get dramatic, simply tell them it's not true, it's better to say that you do, and it's no different than any other gun. Let them go for another try - it's likely the magazine thing.

    The problem isn't them spouting ignorance, it's US not having a polite and reasoned answer. What usually happens is the discussion gets into a debate over social class and masculinity - both parties are monkey dancing to see who is the dominant male. It's the locker room measuring contest all over again, and if you aren't prepared to calmly ignore their baiting, then you will play the role of thug to their reasoned adult, and you lose.

    Oh, by the way, the AR is a better hunting rifle, and I can discuss the point. I've posted it here and elsewhere. In short, the magazine makes it safer to unload, manual actions often require you to cycle every round thru the chamber with a cocked firing assembly. The AR, drop the mag, pull the charging handle, empty right now. Second, the AR is usually in a lighter caliber, and the biggest interest in shooting AR IS in a hunting caliber to bring down game humanely. You can shoot an AR more accurately because it has less recoil AND you know it. Further, you can let off a follow up shot more quickly with less game loss, you don't lose your sight picture cranking the action with your trigger hand. The AR is a SUPERIOR hunting rifle.

    Those who work retail have a great deal of experience handling ignorance from customers with no clue - if you do, that's the approach to take. Polite, informed, educational, and sell them the truth. Nobody wins if you think the other guy is a complete idiot - that is the #1 clue you're getting into a measuring contest of wills. Be the responsible adult, and you have given them an example of the role model they need to see as the actual AR user.

    Lots of people DO hunt with an AR, and it's the ones deflecting that issue or in denial who are helping the anti gunners. It's exactly the point of their oft repeated lie, and it needs to be directly confronted. Every lie we expose is a win for us.

    Over 21 million veterans are trained on the M16, and its the biggest selling firearm in the marketplace for the past five years. The AR is a hunting rifle, it's safer, it's more accurate, and it's more humane in use.

    Stop feeding the lies.
  10. gym

    gym member

    Did you see Biden today, he said a doubble barell shotgun is all you need. He was responding to a reader who sent in a comment that was pro 30 round magazine. He said he told his wife to go out on the porch "or deck" and fire both shells. Has to be one of the dumbest things you could say.
    I wish it was a live debate.
  11. Ehtereon11B

    Ehtereon11B internet infantryman

    Was speaking about modern times. 2A was written to prevent tyranny. It has been on the back burner for 200 years. Been moving closer to the front recently.
  12. wacki

    wacki Well-Known Member

  13. Big_John1961

    Big_John1961 Well-Known Member

    I think Justin, BigBore and others are right on point; stay focused on what matters and that's the 2nd Amendment. All this chaff being put out there by the antis can only detract (or distract) from what really matters and that's our right to keep and bear arms and without these ridiculous restrictions being proposed. It's really as simple as that.
  14. Kiln

    Kiln Well-Known Member

    The guys who think you can't hunt with an AR are the guys that don't understand what a semi-automatic firearm is.

    They think that when you pull the trigger the deer is destroyed by a barrage of full auto fire similar to middle eastern bad guys in any 80's movie.

    These people are completely ignorant morons.
  15. rdhood

    rdhood Well-Known Member

    I agree. This creates enough misconception outside of those who actually know what an AR is that, if not addressed, becomes true. An accusation that goes unanswered becomes truth.

    And the truth is, LOTS of people hunt with ARs. It is so ubiquitous that you even see some of the guys on "Yukon Men" hunt elk with them. Most people hunt with the best gun they have that gets the job done. Often, that is NOT an AR-15. But if all you have is an AR-15... then that is your hunting rifle.
  16. Dnaltrop

    Dnaltrop Well-Known Member

  17. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Well-Known Member

    If you've accepted that the ability to hunt with a firearm is a valid point to make against banners then you've already failed the discussion.

    The right answer is WHO CARES IF ANYONE HUNTS WITH IT? the 2a wasn't written with sportsman in mind.

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  18. mastiffhound

    mastiffhound Well-Known Member

    The point is putting these fools in their place (in the corner with the dunce cap) every time they open their mouths. The 2A argument is one point, when you throw that in their face they move on to the hunting. Pointing out every time they open their mouths they look stupid is the best you can do. People used to say that George W. was a moron, but he never said that taking a 12 gauge double barrel out back and firing off 2 rounds willy-nilly was a good idea. This is the idiotic retardation we are up against, best to put these morons in their place. Put these idiot window lickers in their place enough and they will shut up and fade to the shadows, NO ONE LIKES TO BE POINTED AT AND LAUGHED AT.

    Embarrassment is the only thing these types understand. They are bullies, plain and simple. In school they pushed the little kids down every day to take their lunch money. Like school they always do something stupid. When they crap their pants in class you don't let them live it down, from that day forward you call them crap pants. You push back. It's funny how they end up as the guy robbing liquor stores for change and spending their days in prison. Yeah, I was bullied. I was the small malnourished kid. No, I never kicked the guys butt (by high school I was bigger and was playing football and boxing) and yes he was known as crap pants only in much more descriptive words. I'm just saying don't give them an inch, point out their ingnorance at every turn, and I promise they will crap their pants. Oops, Uncle Joe already did!
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2013
  19. ACP

    ACP Well-Known Member

    Of course ARs are used for hunting. A carpenter friend of mine made a bid on my Colt because he wanted to move up from his .204 Ruger for coyotes. And, of course, changeable uppers allow you to shoot larger calibers than .223.

    So the anti-gunners show the depth of their ignorance there.

    Their other argument is "you don't need a 30 round magazine to hunt deer." And I would reply, no I don't use a 30-round magazine to hunt deer... I use it to plink at targets at the range.

    And, BTW -- who needs more than 60 horsepower or so to drive the 65mph national speed limit? If I give up my 30-round magazine because it is "unnecessary" and "unreasonable" will you give up your V-8, 350hp Lexus??


    Then we have a deal.
  20. Ehtereon11B

    Ehtereon11B internet infantryman

    I was debating an anti not too long ago who claimed the second was about hunting. He felt stupid when I said "Yes the founding fathers loved hunting so much, the made it the second rule when building a new government. The really loved their tasty, yummy deer."

    I think any of the "you don't need 30 rounds to hunt deer" have never heard of 5, 10, 20 round magazines for ARs. I think that would make their brains implode.

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