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The next time someone says "no one uses an AR to hunt"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mastiffhound, Feb 18, 2013.

  1. Boostedtwo

    Boostedtwo Well-Known Member

    I personally use mine to hunt coyotes and for target.
  2. BigBore44

    BigBore44 Well-Known Member

    Mastiff you sound pretty angry. I too was bullied in school until highschool. And then I did make a few of the bullies crap themselves. But that was highschool. Now in the adult world if we were to go the route you propose we look like the crazy *********s the left is trying to make us look like. However, I do believe in standing up for yourself. But this isn't a fight with a guy at the bar that bows his chest at you. We both know how to handle that situation. Smash his face with a left hook and a straight right. But this is persuading some of the publics opinion about gun owners. I prefer to make the antis look dumb during my cross examination of their ridiculous statements.
  3. CmpsdNoMore

    CmpsdNoMore Well-Known Member

    What a person legally uses a firearm for has nothing to do with whether it should be banned or not.

    That being said, I would call one 62 gr. soft point through the heart while running a humane kill.
  4. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    I am afraid you may have missed a significant part of the problem. Many of the people not in the know HAVE educated themselves...and done a less than proper job of it. Telling a person to educate themselves when they already "know" what they are talking about won't work. After all, if a person thinks they know the material and thinks YOU are wrong, then why would they educate themselves. They think you are the one in need of education. As such, you can't expect them to learn on their own. Helping them in a nonconfrontational manner would go a lot further than telling them to educate themselves.
  5. mdemetz

    mdemetz Well-Known Member

  6. StrutStopper

    StrutStopper Well-Known Member

    Not that this argument is about hunting, but in my state the only centerfire calibers that can legally be used to hunt with are those smaller than .225. It will be interesting to see what our governer (who PROMISED to pass new gun legislation) will come up with to make my perfectly legal hunting rifle illegal in the near future.
  7. Akita1

    Akita1 Well-Known Member

    On the run through the heart - impressive!
  8. Akita1

    Akita1 Well-Known Member

    Roger that
  9. JASmith

    JASmith Well-Known Member

    Folks are on the mark when saying that the second amendment is not about hunting or recreational shooting. It is all about protecting the citizenry from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

    Having acknowledged that, I submit that the more folks that use ARs for hunting or competition, the more that will recognize them as tools. That means more people who are likely to understand the value of the AR for both hunting and defense.

    An example of AR cartridges designed expressly for hunting is the 6.5 Grendel. Bullets from this cartridge best those from those from the .243 Winchester at all ranges. The wind drift is less. Pretty much the same aimpoint can be used out to past 250 yards when both are sighted in at 200 yards. Past that point, we are likely to lase the target to get the correct holdover or number of clicks so the differences in trajectory are meaningless.

    There is more on this in the newly-published 6.5 Grendel Reloading Handbook.
  10. NY'er

    NY'er Well-Known Member

    Ehtereon11B absolutely nailed it!

    I hope you don't mind if I use this, and often. It's the most "Common Sense" answer I've heard and it makes the point without being defensive or aggressive. Perfect!

    In fact someone should forward this thought to Wayne LaPierre, all of our representatives who are "trying to protect hunters' rights".... and of course Piers Morgan
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2013
  11. Tirod

    Tirod Well-Known Member

    The important part of any discussion is being fair and honest about it. If anyone approaches it as a win/lose situation, better you shut up and back off. You will not be the example needed, wrong guy at the wrong time.

    Weak egos needing to prop up their masculinity need not apply. I realize that sounds like a challenge, but that is exactly the problem we face - taking things as a personal challenge to one's self esteem.

    Guys, it's really a problem bringing that to the table - it plays into their game plan. The whole "disarm America" is them wanting to put us in our place - subordinate to their will. And if you act like a juvenile with a bad attitude and can't hold an adult conversation on it, you need to toughen up and learn how.

    The biggest way to tell if you are headed straight to a confrontation is when you absolutely know the other guy is a freaking disrespectful idiot. NO, he is NOT. He's just another guy, JUST LIKE YOU, with an opinion and lots of emotion backing it up.

    If your blood pressure goes up when you hear them talk, YOU are the problem. Back off, some dummy spouting off in public baiting the crowd with over the top rhetoric is being an attention getter. Don't feed the troll, same as here.

    Talking about gun control is something else entirely, and in public, it's a lot more like a speech and debate tournament. There are rules - you absolutely do not diss the other party. Violate that, and it all goes downhill. It then becomes YOU over THEM, and that is exactly what they are trying to pull off.

    Gun control is mostly decided by who is better informed and has the patience to explain their view clearly with the facts. If you can't play by the rules, learn how. We have enough problems from those who go off the deep end and get benched.
  12. Stevie-Ray

    Stevie-Ray Well-Known Member

    My brother told me, "NOBODY NEEDS AN ASSAULT RIFLE". I told him, "Nobody needs a Corvette, either, and since sports cars kill more people each year than "assault rifles" and the vette is #1 in death for those accidents, maybe we should ban Corvettes. Now you know how silly that sounds every time it's spouted. It's the Bill of Rights, not the bill of needs" :scrutiny:
  13. itsa pain

    itsa pain member

    trying to say that an AR is for hunting is falling into the trap antis have set and they got the reason to own guns only for hunting from gun owners. an AR or any other gun is to keep the govt from hunting you
  14. EnfieldEnthusiast

    EnfieldEnthusiast Well-Known Member

    "No one uses an AR-15 to hunt"? This is what the anti-gun lobby wants people to think,because in their view these things are unnessecary & Rebecca Peters admitted in the gun debate,in London last year that she knew people used them for hunting in Australia(before the 1996 ban)but thought of them as unnessecary,along with handguns.

    This is a personal view on things,not a factual view,by a bunch of halfwits.
  15. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    Around here ARs are used in modern military matches.

    ARs are also used for varmint hunting using bullets in the 45gr to 55gr weights and, where legal, for deer hunting using bullets in the 62gr to 77gr weights. (The German 5.6x57mmRWS was designed for European red deer, and there are .223Rem loads in the same class.)

    Military people who take up sports shooting tend to gravitate toward the guns they are familiar with to the point of instinctive reflex. Soldiers familiar with the 1860 Henry wanted the Winchester 1866 in civilian life. Soldiers familiar with the Krag or Springfield in service wanted bolt actions in civilian life. The AR is the modern sporting rifle (as much as I prefer my Marlin 336 lever action) and that's a fact.

    And the two hunters using ARs deer hunting I know (I thought 72gr 223 but one owns a 6.8mmRem AR come to think about it) took deer with one shot kills: I helped butcher the deer (so spare me the "anyone who needs 30 shots to kill a deer aint a hunter" rants).
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2013
  16. Ford4x4

    Ford4x4 Well-Known Member

    The vast majority of handguns are never used to hunt.

    Stevie-Ray, thanks. I might have to order a new bumper sticker: "Its the Bill of Rights. not the Bill of Needs"
  17. Bruno2

    Bruno2 Well-Known Member

    The fact that people do hunt with AR's should be addressed just to expose the lies. However, the argument shouldn't be used to justify why we should always be allowed to have them. That has nothing to do with it.

    t's all about the gov not having any say in what guns we should have or shouldn't. That was why the amendment was created to limit the gov's powers over us. The fact that we have any gun laws period flies in the face of the 2A.

    That's one of the reasons I whole heartedly oppose UBC's. Do you think that the King would have approved any of the framers or sons of Liberty to own a gun? I bet not.

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