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The Quisling Effect

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Gun Plumber, Aug 23, 2003.

  1. Gun Plumber

    Gun Plumber Active Member

    Excerpts from:

    "The Quisling Effect

    Government is not the only destroyer of freedom

    By Claire Wolfe

    © Backwoods Home Magazine.
    www.backwoodshome.com 1-800-835-2418

    The word "quisling" has a naturally slimy sound. Even if you didn't know what it meant, you'd know it was something unsavory, undesirable, or at best, something weak. Not many people realize that (as with martinet, sandwich, and boycott), the word came to us from a man's name.

    Vidkun Quisling was a twentieth-century Norwegian politician and head of Norway's home-grown form of Nazism, the Nasjonal Samling (National Unity) Party. He went so far as to urge Hitler to invade his country in hopes of becoming Norway's supreme leader. Hitler did. And Quisling did -- for exactly five days. The Nazis quickly placed him in a figurehead position while one of their own actually ran the country. Within months of the war's end, Quisling got his just desserts. He was executed by firing squad. And a new word entered the dictionary, not only in English, but in many other languages.

    The identification of Quisling with dirty deeds is so strong that when I encountered an article that mentioned humanitarian acts Quisling had committed in the 1920s, it was as if I'd just read, "Ted Bundy heroically feeds the poor in Calcutta," or "Jeffrey Dahmer rescues kitten from burning building."

    How typical is this? Your ISP meekly enables all e-mail and Web activity to be easily monitored by the FBI, not because the law says they must, but because the FBI unilaterally decrees that they should. Online commerce companies, led by the 800-pound mine canary eBay, announce that they will turn over any customer record to any law enforcement agent, without asking for a subpoena, search warrant, or even an explanation of probable cause. Saks department store sends a notice to charge account customers, saying it will no longer accept more than $350 in cash payments. Even though that amount is far, far below the federal government's own "suspicious" cash reporting limits, Saks is scared, Saks has decided to be overly cautious. Saks' lawyers have no doubt advised the company to prepare for a future in which even $400 is a sign that a loyal Saks customer is a terrorist or drug dealer.

    Banks demand detailed information about you and the origins of your deposits. Following 9-11, one supermarket chain, in a "patriotic" gesture, even turned over its entire database of customer purchasing records to the federal government for "anti-terrorism" records. (And yes, the type of food you buy and how you buy it really is part of the government's profiling of your terrorist potential.)

    It must have been a lot like this in Stalinist Russia. But nevertheless, in each case, these businesses are following their own momentary self interest -- just as we are when we run a background check or enter a caller's name in a database. In relationships with "security scared" businesses, your legal rights, or for that matter their own long-term self interest (assuming freedom is in the long-term interest of every private enterprise), are easy casualties.

    (The very concept that the federal government has a right to order private businesses to do anything is another matter. But we've long ago accepted that state of affairs as normal, however abnormal and unfree it really is.)

    The definition of a quisling: "a traitor who serves as the puppet of the enemy occupying his or her country."

    If you believe that the behemoth now squatting on the banks of the Potomac is constitutional or in some other fashion legitimate, then the definition of quisling doesn't apply to anyone who bows to that government's will -- even when, by bowing or "complying," we diminish our own and our children's freedom. By those terms, the loss of freedom itself is "legitimate," and heaven help us all."
  2. suijurisfreeman

    suijurisfreeman Well-Known Member

    Gun Plumber,

    Personally I think Claire Wolfe rocks! :D You go there girl! :D I have several of her books, 'I'm not a Number' and '101 Things to do 'till the Revolution', she certainly gives you something to think about! But for some if not most people, her writings are too radical, personally I think she's right on target! I wonder how many who read 'The Quisling Effect' article on the Backwoodshome form will ask themselves if they are Quisling froggies?! I'm not, I jumped out of the kettle 10 years ago! :) :p :eek: :D :evil:
  3. mete

    mete Well-Known Member

    The story was always told how all norwegians with the sole exception of Quisling , were anti nazi.It made for a good story but of course was not true. The majority were anti nazi but Quisling had help. Those in this country who so casually give the government more power just help ti become more abusive.
  4. A. Partisan

    A. Partisan Well-Known Member

    Please explain in a little more detail what you have done to gain your freedom.
  5. suijurisfreeman

    suijurisfreeman Well-Known Member

    A. Partisan,
    My road to freedom began in 1993 after reading an article in Backwoods Home Magazine about 'Fully Informed Juries', after attending a meeting in Hillsdale, Michigan on April 19, 1993 put on by Zeno Budd concerning property rights I did some 'soul searching' and decided to actually do something about unlawful government ka, ka! Since that time I have indeed lived as a free Human Being, I exercise my natural, absolute, inherent and inalienable rights on a daily basis, without harming another Human Being, their rights, or property. To retype all that I've done to achieve my degree of freedom would be redundant, please check out all the threads that I've posted, if you have any specific questions, ask. It is not my intent to encourage anyone to take the drastic measures that I have taken over the past 10 years, I'm merely showing that you can indeed 'fight city hall and win!' My only 'weapon' has been my mind, and extensive research and more research and more research! Gotta do that research thingy, otherwise you could find yourself in deep do do, if you know what I mean?! Perhaps to some, what I'm doing is 'extremist' in nature, but I like to think that I've got the Spirit of 1776! What ever happened to the Spirit of 1776? :banghead:
  6. M67

    M67 Well-Known Member

    A world famous Norwegian we're not very proud of...

    Mete, of course Quisling had help, but to put him in perspective, his party won 1.8 per cent of the vote in the last election before the war, in 1936. By 1940 the party was even smaller. He was not very popular, the first use of the word quisling as a derogatory term in Norwegian, was in 1933! He did set a world record, the first ever coup d'état by radio, 9 April 1940 following the German invasion. One of the first things he did as self proclaimed "prime minister" was to order all Norwegian merchant ships in international waters to return to Norway or go to a German controlled port. That led to what became known as the "Kiss my a$$-telegrams". The first probably came from a whaler in the South Atlantic, adressed to Quisling, the only text was "Kiss my a$$" (in Norwegian, and without the $-signs). Within hours he had received well over a thousand identical telegrams from ships all over the world. Not one single ship followed the order. That I think we can be proud of, the world's third largest merchant fleet at the time, and 100.0% of those ships reported to Allied ports despite an order that (geographically at least) came from the prime minister's office.

    I also have a story about party recruitment during the war, not a typical story, but anyway. Towards the end of the war a particular sabotage action by the resistance led the Gestapo to arrest every male in town. They were given a choice between signing a confession that they were involved in resistance activity or sign a membership card in Quislings party - all this with a gun pointed at their head, literally. All but one "joined" the party. One man refused to sign anything. I think they "worked him over" for a while, but he won, and he did survive the war. I think the expression is "a pair of brass ones". (As someone may have guessed, I have a degree in history, with some focus on early 20th century Norwegian history :) )

    But to attempt to get back on topic: In Quisling's home country, ISPs are very reluctant to hand over any information, to anyone, about their customers' activity - it would be a quick way to lose customers. They don't sabotage criminal investigations, but I don't think the police should expect any information that isn't specifically mentioned in the court order. It's illegal to give out that kind of information, and there are laws regulating how much personal information a company can register about their customers and for how long they can store that information. By international standards, I think those laws are rather strict. And, of course, government institutions are regulated by the same laws that apply to private companies.
  7. A. Partisan

    A. Partisan Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your reply.I will do a search of your posts and glean more info. I guess one of the keys to freedom is total commitment to being free. I am sick and tired of having to swallow the BS the Gov. shoves down my throat. I want to do something for myself and my kids, but what? Maybe this is a direction. Thanks
  8. suijurisfreeman

    suijurisfreeman Well-Known Member

    Hey, M67,
    Are you the one responsible for the old saying, "10,000 Swedes went running through the weeds chased by one Norweigan, the dust from the weeds made snuff for the Swedes at the battle of Copenhagen." My grampa Johnson came over from Sweden in 1892 at the age of 17, he didn't care much for that saying! By the way since you're into history, do you know which battle that saying is referring to? I think it was from the mid to late 1600's, but don't know for sure. I'm into collecting, painting and wargaming with historical miniatures, I've got a large Great Northern War Swedish and Russian army, with a few Danes, Saxon and Polish thrown in for cannon fodder! Those Swedish Life Guard cavalry were like the French Old Guard on steriods! How about that battle of Narva?! Poltava didn't go so well for king Charles XII did it? How many years did he spend in Turkey, too long, only to end up dead in your counrty, Norway! Ga Pa!!

    One of the reference books that I've picked up on the Swedish Army in that time period is Den Karolinska Armens uniformer under Stora Nordiska Kriget by Lars-Eric Hoglund, translated by Daniel A. Schorr. Maybe you and I could email about the history of this time period?
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2003
  9. mete

    mete Well-Known Member

    I thought it was 1000 swedes went through the weeds CHASING one norwegian, and they never caught him. An actual event, a norwegian prince (?) escaping from the swedes , and celebrated by a yearly cross country race Sweden to Norway. Give us the straight story M67.
  10. suijurisfreeman

    suijurisfreeman Well-Known Member

    Either way it's not looking too good for the Swedes. They're either chickens or they're incompetent, not good, not good for the Swedes! Since Poltava in 1709 it's all been down hill, where's the likes of King Karl XII when you need him? I bet if M67 is related to that one Norweigan he will let us know all about it! :p
  11. M67

    M67 Well-Known Member

    suijurisfreeman, feel free to email me. I'm not an expert on the Great Nordic War, but I have read a little bit about it. And I may be able to help you with translations and such, if you have problems with Norwegian, Swedish or Danish. Russian is more of a challenge, I'm still at a "the car is red"-level. :)

    I can't say I have heard that saying of yours. In any case it has probably been adapted to English, "Swedes" and "weeds" do not rhyme in Norwegian, and I can't think of a rhyme in Swedish either, not that I think its origin would be Swedish...

    mete, I think the episode you're referring to is one that has nothing to do with Swedes. It happened during the Norwegian "civil war era" - a series of civil wars from 1130 to 1217. In 1206 two year old prince Haakon Haakonsson was brought to safety by two men who carried him across the mountains on skis. There is an annual ski race, Birkebeinerrennet, most people start in the "exercise class", the oldest age class is for those over 85. The race is (I looked it up) about 58 km long with a climb of some 950 meters. The Olympic skiers do it in three hours and change, an 80 year old has to do it in around seven hours to qualify for the medal for participation.

    Carl (Charles) XII, in Norway also known as Kalle Dusin (Charlie Dozen). Waged war for twenty years all around the Baltic. Personally led his army into Norway twice. In 1716 he was forced to retreat from an attempt to take Oslo (then called Christiania). In 1718 he tried to take a fortress in Halden, close to the border. That is the only incident I am aware of in the history of warfare where the citizens of a whole town burned their own houses rather than let the enemy take shelter in them. Yes, other towns have been burned for that reason, but in this case each of the inhabitants torched his own house before evacuation, it wasn't done by order of some authority figure. The king of Denmark-Norway later arranged a special tax collection to rebuild the town and reimburse those people's losses. Anyhow, one moonlit night Carl XII was poking his head over the rim of the siege trench to get a better view of the fortress, against the advice of his officers not to expose himself. He was hit in the head by a bullet, probably fired by a Norwegian sentry on the fortress parapet, 300 meters away. Although many Swedes, for some reason, are more fond of the theory that he was shot by one of his own officers - most Swedes at the time were pretty much fed up with a war that had bankrupted the country with very little to show for it.

    And to keep it firearms/military related, the Norwegian way of fighting was very unpopular among the Swedes. The Swedish army was very "Continental" in its ways, and it included large numbers of German and other mercenaries. They fought in a conventional way, while the Norwegians used what today would be called "special operations". There were special jeger-units, same word as the German Jäger (hunter). They were excellent skiers and snipers doing hit-and-run attacks on an enemy who mostly stuck to what passed as roads. In order get a marksman's badge, I believe I read somewhere that a Norwegian jeger had to hit targets while at the same time skiing down hill - with a flint lock... OK, it seems I have read a few things about this war after all.

    Gun Plumber: Sorry about hi-jacking your thread, that wasn't the intention. It's just that I sometimes have trouble stopping my keyboard from spewing out all these words... But in my defence, some of the blame belongs to suijurisfreeman and mete... they asked questions, and probably got way more than they ever wanted to know. :)

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