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The solution to the U.S. war on drugs

Discussion in 'Legal' started by walking arsenal, Feb 13, 2006.

  1. walking arsenal

    walking arsenal Well-Known Member

    While doing research for a one of my classes i came across some interesting data concerning Drug trafficking into the state of Minnesota.

    Since i live in the state of MN this naturally piqued my interest.

    DEA Web site http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/minnesota.html

    So the conclusion i came to was that if we control the Mexican border we control drug imports into the U.S.

    Granted the drug producers will then start growing things in state but that is significantly easier to keep an eye on.

  2. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    How about even more simplistic?

    Take the market away from them!

    That's right, legalize it all and produce it cheaper, sell it cheaper, but at a higher quality. Beat them at their own game; take the profit out of it and they'll stop. By leaving everything regulated in the War on (some) Drugs [thanks SW for the phrase], you make the regulated items high priced.
  3. stevelyn

    stevelyn Well-Known Member

    Legalize. Regulate. Tax. Take the blackmarket profits out. Recreational drugs should not be treated any different than liquor.
    Prohibition of liquor didn't work. Prohibition of some drugs dosen't either.
  4. Thain

    Thain Well-Known Member

    Legalize `em all, and let Phillip-Morris start selling pot. Quality will go up, prices will go down, and I'll buy stock in Little Debbie snack cakes.
  5. Sindawe

    Sindawe Well-Known Member

    I don't know about THAT. PM products are pretty poor examples of quality tobacco.

    I agree with the legalize 'em all stance.
  6. ElTacoGrande

    ElTacoGrande Well-Known Member

    Sorry, won't work.

    The first thing to understand is that the drug business is a business, a highly competitive business, with many entrepreneurs trying to find innovative ways to lower costs, improve customer satisfaction, and market their products.

    There are a million ways to get drugs into the US. You can haul them over the Mexican border. You can haul them under. You can put them in condoms and have people swallow them. You can put them on submarines (yes the Colombians have done this). You can bribe government officials (US customs and law enforcement agents; yes this happens). You can put them on airplanes. You can synthesize them in the US. You can send them by speedboat (this is done frequently). You can ship them from Canada (this is done by the ton). The US has thousands of miles of coastline, with many little islands and bays and vegetation.

    Anyway, the point is, that if Mexicans are currently moving drugs from Mexico, that's only because it's the most cost-effective way to do it right now. Like I said, there are a million ways to do it, all with varying levels of expense and risk. If one of these ways becomes non-competitive with the other ways, they will try one of the remaining 999,999 options they have. Or some entrepreneur will invent a new option. Why couldn't the genes to produce cocaine be moved from the coca plant into some other plant? There's no reason; it would be easy to do, and if they can't ship it from Colombia they'll geneticly engineer it and produce it here. Or they'll synthesize it. Or bribe customs officials. Or the CIA will get in the coke business. Or whatever.

    There's a $500bil market for illegal drugs in the US. That means that every year, there's enough cash flowing around for 500,000 people to become millionaires. Every year! That's powerful motivation to a lot of people to be creative, work hard and take risks. A lot of them don't make it, but many who are trying are in situations where they don't see many other avenues to success. Remember, ambition is present in every race and education level and class, but opportunities for "legitimate" success are not so available to those who are in the most disadvantaged groups. So they take the ways that are open to them, whether it is sports, entertainment, drug dealing, whatever.

    If we want to stop illegal drugs, there are only two ways that could work. One is the Asian-style solution, which is summary executions for everyone involved, which includes executing plenty of innocent people and basically abolishing our jury trial system. The other is to legalize them. Take your pick.
  7. neoncowboy

    neoncowboy Well-Known Member

    Domestic producers must have an eye kept on them why exactly?

    As was previously stated, the solution to the war on [some] drugs is to dismantle the DEA, repeal federal controlled substances laws and leave people alone to live their lives the way they want to.
  8. Biker

    Biker Well-Known Member

    Ya got me with that one, I have to admit. I now know what 'guffaw' means...back in the day, I preferred Oreos, milk and Cheech and Chong's 'Up In Smoke'.
  9. Derby FALs

    Derby FALs Member In Memoriam

    I wish it was so simple but unemployment would go through the roof. At least for six months and then they wouldn't be counted anymore as their benefits run out. :what:
  10. FeebMaster

    FeebMaster Well-Known Member

    Former DEA employees will just have to find other jobs. I'm sure they're qualified for something.
  11. ElTacoGrande

    ElTacoGrande Well-Known Member

    That's really the major problem. There are hundreds of thousands of DEA agents, cops, prosecutors, prison guards, etc, who have worked in these jobs for their whole careers and really AREN'T qualified to do anything else. It's really hard to give pink slips to a bunch of powerful and heavily armed people who are sort of above the law. But that's exactly what we need to do. Sorry to any DEA agents reading this, you're risking your life doing a job that no one needs you to do, and that does more harm than good.
  12. O.F.Fascist

    O.F.Fascist Well-Known Member

    I agree.

    You cannot stop the freemarket, and if you think we should then perhaps you should be thinking really hard about renouncing your citizenship and looking for a new home elsewhere because there are plenty of countries out there that try just that.
  13. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    They wouldn't be happy in a free society. And salary/benefit packages in the few remaining genuine police states are pretty low, compared to our Federal government.

    Still, I wouldn't oppose sending them to North Korea.
  14. bamawrx

    bamawrx Well-Known Member

    You have to remove the cost of the drugs in order to also put a stop to the property crimes that result from users trying to afford the drug use. The government could contract private companies to produce drugs that are very controlled in quality and provide the drugs for free to anyone that qualifies. We will know who is doing what and how much.

    Lets face it, we could produce all the drugs we need and distribute them for what we spend on the "war on drugs" in ONE DAY. That will free up resources for treatment and help to make some people feel better about the new program.

    No profit, no cost, no market. The implications would be hard to imagine. Forget legalize and tax, as that only solves half the problem.
  15. ElTacoGrande

    ElTacoGrande Well-Known Member

    The cost of producing drugs which are currently illegal is so vanishingly small that you almost wouldn't measure it. Even if the whole thing were legal, the packaging (pills, bottles, injectables) would be more expensive to produce than the drugs themselves. These are cheap cheap cheap chemicals.

    Right now, there are very few property crimes committed by people to buy alcohol, and legalized drugs could be cheaper than alcohol. 10mg of the right substance will satisfy an addict for 24 hours. How much does it cost to produce 10mg of a simple pharmaceutical? $0.001 maybe?
  16. Ezekiel

    Ezekiel Well-Known Member

    Should we do this with guns?

    "Liberty" allows folks to do what they desire [drugs] until it harms another. If you do not back legalization of drugs, it is pretty hard to be righteous on gun control.

    John Q. is both a dumbass, and a hypocrite.
  17. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    I think he meant regulate and tax as in tobacco; make sure the drugs aren't going to kill someone with the recommended dose, etc. Not "regulate" like the NFA. At least, that's how I read it.
  18. Maxwell

    Maxwell Well-Known Member

    The drug war is prohibition under a new name.
    It will work the same way when you up the security on the border.

    Lets roll back to remember what happend in the 20's, only now most of our urban citizens are disarmed and the criminals will rampage without any fear of them.

    Then theres the semi-legalized slavery of mexicans thats been taking place. Illegal workers being shipped in, used, abused, and dumped when their employers cant use them anymore.

    Overall its a human tragedy waiting to explode.
    I think securing the border would solve one easy problem, then make many more than we can ever hope to contain.

    First we have to do something about destroying the drug market (I say legalize, tax, and educate). Then we have to deal with the social situation of these immigrants to either deport or integrate them with the border towns.

    If their going to live here, we need to identify them and put this group to working proper American jobs. Make sure their getting at least minimal wage, good insurance, paying for their medical care and signing up for all the benefits employers must give.

    Then go to work with more education stuff. Get their kids speaking english, eating apple pie and memorizing the plege of alliegance.
  19. longeyes

    longeyes member

    Legalize it.

    Don't hide the Dark; learn how to dance with it.

    Watch some august institutions on this side of the border go belly up if drugs get cheap.
  20. NMshooter

    NMshooter Well-Known Member

    I thought most pot for "commercial" use was grown in the US already.

    All those acres in California state and national parks for example.

    Not counting all the folks who grow it for personal use.

    Sure would be nice if meth labs could not compete with Pfizer et.al., and all went away. I really do not want to watch my apartment complex burn down because some fool was cooking a rush batch and screwed up.

    Just think of all the poor gang bangers who would have to earn an honest living...:D

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