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The Sore Shoulder Theory

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Fred Fuller, Jun 8, 2005.

  1. Fred Fuller

    Fred Fuller Moderator Emeritus

    Mar 26, 2004
    AL, NC

    The Sore Shoulder Theory
    By: Al Garcia

    Wouldn't it be great to have a weapon introduced into the modern police arsenal that could do all of the following:

    - Have incredible, one shot, stopping power on aggressive, man sized targets.
    - Be capable of rapidly transitioning from lethal to less-lethal ammunition without removing the officer from the confrontation.
    - Be stable and accurate enough to safely engage hostile targets out to 100 yards.
    - Be portable enough for one officer to carry and still allow performance of other tasks.
    - Be very easy to operate, low maintenance, and have a malfunction rate next to nil.
    - Have tremendous behavior changing qualities by sheer presence alone.

    Follow link above for remainder of article-


    -and from the same site, another article of interest to 870 fans:

    Remington 870 Shotgun: Tried & True
    By: Frank Borelli, 2 May 2005

    Note the index of firearms articles at this site at http://www.borelliconsulting.com/evals/guns.htm and the overall index at http://www.borelliconsulting.com/evals.htm if you are interested in seeing more.

    lpl/nc (surf's up...)
  2. JohnBT

    JohnBT Elder

    Dec 26, 2002
    Richmond, Virginia
    I thought it was going to be a sawed-off double barrel with a slug on one side and rock salt on the other. JT
  3. esldude

    esldude Member

    Feb 28, 2003
    Well for centerfire pistols and some rifles we have 22 conversions. This lets the weapon function as normal, with reduced recoil, expense and noise. So you can practice lots more with something very close to what you might use seriously later.

    Maybe there is a need for something similar in shotguns. Only problem is the odd situation of the most powerful, biggest type of shotgun round being the cheapest. There is no 22 equivalent in terms of economy.

    Now if you could develope conversions for use with 28 gauge or 410 shells you could do everything except save money.

    There is a fairly good saying, that you fight like you train. And a weapon that causes real discomfort after 15 rounds limits training severely. Two options. Find something very similar that can be fired many more rounds. Or train the 15 rounds you can, but do it much more often. Like every day or some such.

    I know getting a 22 conversion for my defensive handguns improved my abilities with it by an order of magnitude. My confidence and familiarity with it went up similarly. Some equivalent to that is needed for shotgun training. At the very least, shooting light birdshot is the closest you can come easily and economically.
  4. 24kshooter

    24kshooter New Member

    Apr 3, 2005
    No - that is why there are side arms and rifles / shotguns.
  5. esldude

    esldude Member

    Feb 28, 2003
    24ks shooter

    So you are saying no there shouldn't be an easier to shoot shotgun for training purposes?

    Certainly the military has used trainer rifles in training of snipers and others. Why wouldn't this work with the shotgun?
  6. rockstar.esq

    rockstar.esq Participating Member

    Dec 9, 2004
    Seems to me that a shoulder pad that set your length of pull about the same as when you mount the gun against a kevlar vest would be a great way to answer the aforementioned questions. As for a "reduced load" for training, the Winchester universal remains light enough in terms of recoil that even small folks can generally shoot it well. That said, I don't think that a slug is the sort of thing that you can truly practice with without having considerable discourse and education regarding form. I'm not a big guy and slugs just plain hurt when you are getting much past the first full magazines worth. However PAST makes a recoil pad that fits on your shoulder that I find reduced the pain to the extent that I feel like I am shooting a .308! Plus with the semiauto's the recoil would be reduced further. I prefer the 870 for a variety of reasons but the U.S. Military must have had a good reason to choose a semiauto for their purposes.

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