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"the tightest rectums are in the Activism moderators of THR" hurts activism

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by hso, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    For those of you that feel that moderation in A/AD is too tight, what are your specific suggestions? General concerns over "too restrictive" moderation and a desire for "looser" moderation don't provide anything specific to change.

    Taking the Activism sticky on posting as the rule for Activism forum what do you specifically want to see changed?
  2. Guillermo

    Guillermo member


    You make good points and I opine that you help me make mine.

    When you say that THR is the most active an best (you insinuate this when you say "if only one...this would be it")

    My point is that THR is the biggest and the best but this corner is less travelled. I want to make it MORE travelled.

    We are all for the same thing and it is not my intention to complain, but rather to improve what is by far the best site.

    I also do not mean to sound as though I do not appreciate all moderators. There is another forum which I will not mention the name of (tfl are the initials) who have the pettiest. power hungry jerks as moderators. Go there and you will REALLY appreciate THR's staff.

    As I have stated my case in several ways, I really don't have anything else to add.

    It distills down to this sentance

    "I wish that the moderators would evaluate what they do and how, so that they can make this area more productive...putting the more of the High Road community to work for RKBA activism"

    we can all do a better job.
    myself included
  3. snubbies

    snubbies Well-Known Member

  4. Guillermo

    Guillermo member



    I used to be a member of several boards myself. With the exception of specialized boards I don't bother with most of them anymore, (if you need specific info places like AR-15.com are outstanding), this is BY FAR the best general gun board with some truly amazing members. It is an honor to converse with many of them.

    Said another way, I LOVE the High Road. I don't waste my time with most of them because this is the best.

    Please do not take this as not appreciating what we have. While everything can improve...we have got it REALLY good here.
  5. snubbies

    snubbies Well-Known Member


    In my humble opinion anything that is not personal, derogatory of another or completely irrelaven to the subject matter should be allowed. When this effort of letterwriting began several people disagreed with the focus of this effort. A request for meaningful discussion was not favorably received. The Activism category is split. A discussion of the subject must be confined to the Sub activism category. Those that are in favor of or offer the party line are welcome to post on the main category. Those of us who are not in total agreement or offer an alternative solution are required to use a sub-category. How will the ones infavor of the party line learn of the alternatives available. A pro position posting and a con posting should appear in the same document. I have no problem with the moderator calling the rules if they are fair to all, pro and con. In this case it seems to me that the moderator is more than moderator in the true sence of moderation that is being neutral. I liken it to a referee favoring one fighter over another in their decisions.
  6. snubbies

    snubbies Well-Known Member

  7. Rail Driver

    Rail Driver Well-Known Member

    This statement is your entire problem... It's not up to the moderators to promote activism... It's up to all of us.

    I don't spend a lot of time posting in Activism, or in Activism Discussion (or for that matter anywhere else) because I'm actively engaged in earning a law degree so I can go out and fight in court for those rights that should never have been denied or limited.

    That's what *I* am doing... What are you doing to promote activism and RKBA?
  8. snubbies

    snubbies Well-Known Member

  9. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Mods rarely open threads in A/AD. We do "cheerlead" in threads, though, to keep some energy going. We also have to maintain order within them. That may appear like favoritism when the basic idea is being encouraged along.

    Open an original thread with your own plan and we'll do the same thing there, try to keep order AND promote the new plan. Have a tweak or a contribution to the plan, toss it in.

    Hijacking and naysaying other people's threads isn't contributing to them though. Don't like someone's plan? Open your own thread with your own plan if you have an alternative that's out of scope of the OP's approach.
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2010
  10. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    I did not say that it is up to the moderators to promote activism, although if they could it would be great.

    As to what I do?
    I am a life member of NRA, TSRA, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership (I am not Jewish).
    I constantly write letters to offending companies that show up on my alerts from 3006texas.com and THR
    I have testified in the law enforcement subcommittee of the Texas legislature and Linda Tripp, TSRA lobbyist considers me an "arrow in her quiver"
    I teach young people to shoot
    I donate money to RKBA organizations

    In addition I have a TSRA plate on my truck and because I coach (as a volunteer) high school basketbal I wear gun t shirts so as to bring up conversations with my kids.

    In my role as a women's self defense instructor (RAD Systems, also a volunteer) I talk to my students about gun safety and make suggestions about them getting gun safety

    How about you Rail...what do you do?
  11. snubbies

    snubbies Well-Known Member

    Very Impressive

    Not many of our Members can match that. Keep it up.
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2010
  12. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member


    Personal challenges to prove what we do in the "real world" aren't going to help improve things here. None of us know what anyone else actually does that isn't documented so there's no point tossing out those challenges anyway.

    The issue is how to improve on the Activism/Activism Discussion forum anyway, isn't it?, so let's focus our attention here.
  13. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Dealing with the "completely irrelevant" may be where part of the difference lies. I'll use the TRU thread that started this as an illustration, but it's a common enough phenomenon to fit many other threads.

    Is it completely irrelevant for someone to post "I've never shopped there anyway because of their prices."? If this were in an actual physical group or a teleconference there would be a pause and everyone on task would think something along the lines of "What's that got to do with what we're trying to do?" and the organizer of the workgroup might let it die unless someone else chimes in or remind everyone to focus on the work right then to prevent the loss of focus. It's a non sequitur comment since it's not about the task even if it's broadly related to the topic. If there were a chorus of "I hate their prices/selection/customer service responses any facilitator to a meeting would try to stop the drift and refocus the group. We get a lot of these sorts of comments in Activism threads and they sometimes even outnumber the posts focused on the work being done. It's related, but it's not on the topic and just add "bulk". Should we allow them even if they become numerous or should they just be ignored? If the negative "that'll never work you need to try "this completely different approach"" posts are allowed we kill the initiative that someone has put into coming up with their plan. A member's plan may not be perfect, what plan ever is, but refining and expanding upon that plan like trying to get the CEO's snail mail/email address instead of dealing with a customer relations drone or trying to get other groups or 2A media types involved contributes to making it more successful. Negativism and rejection of the thrust of the original plan isn't helpful at all though. Do we allow someone's idea to be derailed by another person who is sure their completely different solution to the problem is "better"? If someone doesn't like an approach and has a different approach they should start their own thread with their idea presented so folks can rally around it instead of killing the initiative of someone else's approach. We need to have as many different useful approaches as possible supported and while they may all going towards the same destination it means they each need their own lanes to move forward.

    We do use a low threshold for irrelevant posts, but the philosophy behind it is to keep each OP's idea moving forward with minimum derailments.
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2010

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