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Discussion in 'Legal' started by real_name, Apr 6, 2006.

  1. real_name

    real_name member

    Truely a great forum, when everyone is talking about guns.
    Unfortunately when the subject gets onto other matters the opinions shared are invariably poor to bad.
    I refer mainly to the very thinly veiled animosity that pervails here towards the British. That's a shame to hear that people still have the 'Don't tread on me' attitude towards the USAs biggest partner in the struggle against imported terrorism.

    I feel I should revert back to being a 'lurker' and continue to use this site as a source of excellent information, leaving the political broadsides to those alpha males amongst us.

    Have fun gents.
  2. exar

    exar Well-Known Member

    Since they are JUST opinions, it is your opinion that they are bad ones. I would relax a little and not take too much stock in what text on your screen says. Remember, everyone on here is a knowledgable, experienced master in their field of (fill in the blank).:cool: I for one am glad to see that you will be a citizen here soon. Now if you could just rub off a little on our neighbors to the south you'd be doing us all a favor...
    BTW, we don't harbor thinly veiled animosity towards Brits, we're just jealous of the accent. For some reason girls here can't get enough of it.
  3. The Drew

    The Drew Well-Known Member

    I think most of the animosity towards the british is really aimed at the government. Many of us see things they have done and classify them as tyrranical... The gun bans, the cameras everywhere, are really an afront to freedom and liberty. Those of us who grew up reading 1984 are shocked at what a prophetic vision it was...
  4. real_name

    real_name member

    I'm relaxed. And tolerant.
    (read my sig).
    But, imagine if you were foreign, or another race and the consensus here was that you were 'always wrong and always inferior'.
    Nice welcome to the darkside of THR. (?)
    I'm a legal immigrant gun owner who's gained citizenship. I should be amongst friends here but instead I'm ridiculed as an idiot for carrying the belief that 'Mid-Brother' can actually improve the quality of life for all.
    Yes, that's 'Mid-Brother', as in not Big Brother. It's not necessarily all or nothing.
  5. The Drew

    The Drew Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry Real Name, It has nothing to do with your nationality or your race or that you are a resident gunowner... What is being ridiculed is your idea that these measures are good for a society...

    I don't know anyone on this board who if they made the same statements that wouldn't be ridiculed.
  6. longeyes

    longeyes member

    Talking about guns, really, means talking about life. It's not about toy railroading, you know. I have never seen this forum as a gathering-place for hobbyists, but then I hang out in Legal & Political 90 per cent of the time.

    Maybe we "bash" the Brits because we love them and see in them our philosophical progenitors. It's hard to watch a grand and great nation ebb away into fecklessness, especially when their future can appear like a preview of our own.
  7. exar

    exar Well-Known Member

    Are you having issues with folks outside of the internet thinking your an idiot? Because if it's just THR folks thinking your an idiot (which I doubt they would ever say it to your face), then I would certainly never give a second thought to that. Understand that what works across the pond won't work here. A majority percentage of folks in the U.S. are rural people. Many people are not used to the socialist policies used to govern large urban centers, they view it as a loss of privacy, and individual rights.
  8. real_name

    real_name member

    I also guess I need to just shut up and go polish my guns some more.

    But doesn't anyone else have self-conflicting beliefs?
    I'm a NPR sponsor, Nashville Ballet sponsor and a vegetarian, who also collects and shoots guns, is strict on immigration control and believes the USA should have an official language.
    Am I the only Demopublican here?
  9. longeyes

    longeyes member

    Or maybe you're in the wrong sub-forum?
  10. real_name

    real_name member

    You're right, I tried keeping out of here when all the Illegal Alien threads were prevelant over the past few weeks, it's hard as I'm usually on the edge of arguing with myself on most issues, although on illegals I am absolutely decided.
    But I'll stay out. I have no business here.
  11. Thefabulousfink

    Thefabulousfink Well-Known Member


    You will find that many of the people on this board are libertarian (or at least share those ideals) and the idea that the Government knows whats best and is there to protect you from yourself and others is completely opposite. It is like a socialist walking onto the trade floor of Wall Street and demanding that all the stocks be turned over to the government to be distributed among the people (he would be laughed out of the room).

    I read 1984 when I was younger and it scared me. I was scared not because of how horrible that world was but because how easily such a world could be created and maintained. The reason that you were attacked for sugesting that it is ok to give up some liberties in order to be protected a little better is because others on this board understood 1984 and were scared by it as well.

    Giving a little more power to the government to fight "the War on Terror" may seem like a good idea to keep us safe if it is only for a little while. However, this war has no clear objective that we can say "there, now it's done." This war can go on forever (just like the war in 1984) and the government can keep comming up with reasons why they need more power as long as there are people who say "well, if it makes us safer it is ok."

    Governments rarely give up power willingly, and serfs were plenty safe when their lords felt like protecting them.

    (I hope that explains why people on this board took offense at your sugestion. I agree that the way that they voiced their complaints was not very High Road, and for that I appologize.)

  12. redneck2

    redneck2 Well-Known Member

    I have no idea what the original intent or content was that spawned this thread

    My immediate thought is....these are only opinions. I don't have to agreed with yours, nor do have to agree with mine. I appreciate the opportunity to have a civil debate without degenerating into trite diatribes (ok, usually anyway)
  13. MechAg94

    MechAg94 Well-Known Member

    Very few people really agree with everything one of the parties says or does. We all have different views on different issues, some more important than others. Some people do see their party affiliation as part of their identity. I don't like to think of myself that way even though I end up voting for the same party all the time.

    Very few internet comments are meant to be personal. Those that are personal are better ignored anyway. It is difficult to have an honest argument or debate on a public forum without some people taking the argument a little seriously. Appreciate the comments that deserve it, skim over the others.
  14. Augustwest

    Augustwest Well-Known Member

    r_n -

    I've never judged anyone for where he was born, which god he choses (or choses not) to worship, the color of his skin, or whom he likes to sleep with.

    But if I disagree with your ideas and opinions - particularly about something as precious to me as freedom and civil liberties, I'll let you know in no uncertain terms, whether we meet on the internet, or in real life.

    As has been suggested, reading the Federalist (and Anti-Federalist) Papers would be a good way to learn the foundation upon which many of our philosophies of government are based.

    And by all means, keep posting. I may disagree (even vehemently :D ) with what you said on the other thread, but you have every right to say it.
  15. Working Man

    Working Man Well-Known Member

    real_name, you are a law abiding citizen or working to be a citizen
    they you have every business to be here. If you are a citizen in your own
    country, legally traveling, on a visa, or whatever is legal in what ever part
    of the world you are in then you (all people) are welcome here.

    There is no forum here that you should feel is off limits to you. I doubt
    anyone here would close a door in your face or tell you not to post. That
    is part of what makes up THR.... none of us have to agree or even like
    each other, but we do have to treat each other with respect or go elsewhere.
  16. real_name

    real_name member

    Just comments like this;

    I'm here to contribute, to pay tax, to vote, to serve the country if called for. And I get asked to 'leave now' because my opinions differ.
    It's not like I'm a British monarch trying to regain the colonies, why is there so much animosity towards anyone different?
    I agree, not very High Road.

    I guess people can play out their tough guy personas unchecked here as long as it's towards the British, which can't be construed as racist or xenophobic. Unless you are British.
    The internet, a wonderful place but I wouldn't want to live there.
  17. exar

    exar Well-Known Member

    What? Have you never experienced people like this back in the UK? If you give them an opening into your personal life like telling them your from the UK then they will vendictively try to use it against you to stir an unavoidable emotional response. They're called A$$H*LES
  18. pax

    pax Well-Known Member

    real name ~

    I'm glad you're going to be an American. I hope that when you are sworn in as a citizen, that you leave your former government and its deeply disturbing ideas about violating human rights where both belong -- in England.

    In America, we believe that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights ... and that when any government becomes destructive of those rights rather than securing, protecting, and enlarging those rights, such a government needs to be altered or entirely abolished.

    You're offended that so many Americans dislike what the British are doing politically. The point here is that the folks on the other side of the pond never have -- never have -- supported the same human rights that we in America think are most important. It's a sad thing, because in a lot of ways England was the birthplace of human rights. Our very founding documents would never have been penned, but by Englishmen. But those documents were penned ... and they repudiated British rule.

    What I'm getting at is that there's no point in getting upset that the most freedom-loving Americans don't like the way the British government runs things. If we thought the Brits were on the right track, we'd still be singing "God Save the Queen" rather than "My Country 'Tis of Thee."

    Further, take a look at how often Americans on THR make disrespectful comments about our own government. We really do believe, all the way down where it matters, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of human freedom, it is not only the right but the duty of the people to alter or abolish such an institution.

    It's all of a piece.


    In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. -- George Orwell
  19. Thefabulousfink

    Thefabulousfink Well-Known Member

    Also keep in mind that while we live in one of the most gun-accepting countries in the free world, we sometimes feel like an oppresed minority because of people like the Brady Bunch who want do destroy our way of life. This can make us quite sensitve to percived threats and lash out at those who mean well but don't under where we are coming from (this goes both ways). I am not defending the actions of some people in other threads, but trying to mediate and get this back to civil discussion. I don't agree with what you posted before, but I tried to explain why in a civil maner. Now I am trying to explain why some people got defensive and attacked you for your opinions. It wasn't right, but I hope that you can forgive these people and see that no one on THR wants a fellow gun lover to be denied citizenship and sent back to England.
  20. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    Am I the only Demopublican here?

    Don't forget the Republicrats. Lotsa folks here
    not fully happy with Democrat or Republican Parties.

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