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This might be the last decade for the 2nd Amendment

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by sharpshooter74, Jan 5, 2013.

  1. sharpshooter74

    sharpshooter74 Well-Known Member

    I'm a racial minority in America, and I know that it's mostly conservative Whites, and maybe a few moderate to liberal Whites who vote for those who are willing to stand up for the 2nd Amendment.

    As I see it now, most of these racial minorities will never vote for those whom will stand up for the 2nd Amendment. They are Liberal to the core. I have members in my family, and even neighbors who hate guns. They literally blame the guns for the violence in minority communities. They never blame the criminals. They've been so brainwashed by the Liberal media. With the changing demographics in America, I fear that this will be the last decade for the 2nd Amendment. It's obvious in the last election how the demographic shifts has altered the political landscape, with the re-election of Obama, and the Democrats gaining seats in the House and the Senate. I believe that within the 2 to 6 years, the Democrats will regain their Super Majority in both the House and the Senate. The Supreme Court will tilt to the left as one moderate and one conservative Justices retire.

    The political landscape does not bode so well for the 2nd Amendment. It's obvious a full scale gun registration scheme will gain full fruition within this decade. Those in power will further limit access to new gun purchases, and ammo purchases. I believe the next AWB will really be a real ban on semiautomatic AR / AK style rifles, and similar. This time it won't just be a ban on features. Next with their super-majority, these semi-auto rifles, and high cap handguns probably won't be grandfathered in. It will be a full scale ban. Whatever that is left will all be required to register with NFA. Then maybe within the next 15 to 20 years, as the White conservative population decline, and racial minorities combined to make up 50% of the population in America, it will be the perfect time to gut the 2nd Amendment altogether with full scale confiscation.

    I'm a realist. I'm willing to die for my 2nd Amendment rights. But the truth is that I believe most gun owners in America will willingly give up their guns without a fight. I don't expect most minorities or White Liberals to stand up for the 2nd Amendment.

    In the future, States like Texas, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, and etc.. will fall heavily into the anti-gun column as the White population in these States will no longer be more than 50% of the State. Minorities like Hispanics, Blacks, and Asians will make up the majority.

    In the future the Democrats and Liberals will have their 2/3rd votes in the Congress and the States, to fully enact the doing away of the 2nd Amendment. I'm a realist. That's what I believe will happen.
  2. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Then why are you stating what the future will bring as if it has already come to pass? A realist knows that the future can't be seen unless it is right upon us.

    None of us have a crystal ball or a time machine so that we know what shall come to pass. We can see the storm, but we only know how bad it might be and not whether we'll be washed away in a flood.

    Don't give up and don't abandon the struggle because you don't know how to win. If you can't think of how to lead the fight, follow those that still have the will to strive.
  3. 1911 guy

    1911 guy Well-Known Member

    Fighting now, in the ballot box and on the soap box, are far preferable to going to the cartridge box.

    Don't give up the ship yet. Your best tool might be educating your family, friends and neighbors about the racist origins of gun control. JPFO has a lot of material on the subject.

    I'm a realist, too. That's why I see civil unrest as a very bad thing. The American revolution was an anomoly, the only time in human history civil war has brought about a stable government. Let's win this now, before we lose the chance to win it for the long term.
  4. KTXdm9

    KTXdm9 Well-Known Member

    This type of hand wringing and sweeping generalizations do nothing to support our cause. What have you done to try to bring some of these folks into our ranks?

    Contrary to what the media tries to spoon feed you, minorities do not vote as some monolithic block. Texas just elected Ted Cruz to the Senate. Marco Rubio of Florida has a strong following. There are probably countless others in the wings waiting for the opportunity. Maybe our side of the fence needs to do a better job of promoting exciting candidates pro-2a, regardless of color?
  5. A Japanese admiral philosophized thsat they might be waking a sleeping giant when they bombed Pearl Harbor. I think the anti-gun people might be doing the same when they anger the largest armed populace in the history of the world.
  6. Ms_Dragon

    Ms_Dragon Well-Known Member



    "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
    Statement made after the attack on Pearl Harbor by Yamamoto as portrayed in the film Tora! Tora! Tora!, this is one of the most quoted remarks attributed to him. Though it is thought that it summarizes his sentiments well, a definite source for this quote has never been provided. William Safire wrote that there is no printed evidence to support this quote. Safire's Political Dictionary, page 666. For more information see the Wikipedia article "Isoroku Yamamoto's sleeping giant quote".
  7. Alaska444

    Alaska444 member

    Sadly, we are likely the last generation with the 2A, not sure if it will be the last decade, but certainly, they have dumbed down American kids to the point that they have any clue to what it means to keep and protect our freedoms. After all, I am probably one of the last few folks that learned about our American values in my public school since I am in my mid 50's.

    School curriculums no longer teach Americans our true history. Kids come out of school today with a lottery mentality along with a welfare work ethic. In other words, they are already accepting of the European style of government that they are throwing at us. They are easily swayed and do not have the same principles that we support and understand. No, the next generation coming behind us rejects these old fashioned principles. We are in a death spiral when you consider who is coming up behind us.

    Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I just don't see folks with a desire to work hard, a desire to support the ideals of liberty and freedom. Many support the idea of getting rid of the constitution. We are in definite trouble but I do not have any crystal ball on how long obviously, no one does, but it doesn't look good from my perspective.
  8. Archangel14

    Archangel14 Well-Known Member

    Sharpshooter: Thanks for you thoughtful comments. I think, thankfully, that you are incorrect. When I see guys like Ice T on TV saying he'll never give up his guns, I have hope. When I hear a good friend of mine, who is a very liberal Hispanic, state that he'll never give up his guns, I have hope. When I see all those hard working, religious, socially conservative Hispanics going to church on Sunday, I have hope (I live in SoCal).

    I agree that we are up against a monster that has been slowly growing for 60 years. The far left knew they couldn't talk their talk and win at the ballot box, so they talked moderate and gained power. They smartly went after the thing that matters: our culture. They own the schools, the media, and entertainment. And that's why a train wreck like Obama was able to get second term.

    But when they strike at the heart of what people want and believe in, then they'll over play their hand. Let them attack our faith and our churches, it will cost them millions of votes. Let them come for our guns....it will ruin them. This really isn't about race at all. This is about people who "cling to their bibles and guns". There's a reason Obama pretends to be a Christian. The time will never come when a man for president can say, "I'm a proud atheist!". Nor will any president or congress fully embrace what is being tossed around now as a gun ban. It will ruin them....and they know it.
  9. powderx

    powderx Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind that what you see in your immediate vicinity is not indicative of the whole. Technology and faster news cycles make cities, states and continents seem much smaller and cohesive than they really are.

    Keep your wits. Don't waffle.
  10. OilyPablo

    OilyPablo Well-Known Member

    Not all Hispanics/African-Americans/Asians are leftists. It's just not so.

    The worst problems for the right currently are: The lack of a articulate coherent leader with a real backbone and the communist sycophant Obama crazed media.

    I have some hope the leftists will overstep their bounds and the hardworking folks in the above old fashioned groups will rapidly realize a freeloading nation is not something to aspire to.
  11. sharpshooter74

    sharpshooter74 Well-Known Member

    I've done all I can by joining the NRA. The more I try to educate other minorities about the 2nd Amendment, the more I am hit with a wall of ignorance. They just don't want to listen.

    Are you kidding me? So when 95% + of Blacks vote for Obama, you don't think that's monolithic? So when minority areas like Philly, LA, and Detroit vote almost 90%+ for Obama, and the Democrats, you don't think that's monolithic? You might be colorblind when it comes to politics, but the Liberals and Dems use race baiting politics every chance they get. When you have Black, Hispanic, and Asian buying into the Liberal mantra, that guns are bad, and that the NRA, and the Tea Partiers are racists, it's just harder for our side to break through the wall of ignorance. I guarantee you that if the Hispanic voting population increases in Texas, a Republican like Ted Cruz won't have a chance in the world to win in TX again. The same will be for Rubio once the White population goes below 50% in Florida. These conservative and moderate States will go the way of California.
  12. sharpshooter74

    sharpshooter74 Well-Known Member

    Alaska444 I totally agree. I have the same pessimism about America.
  13. nathan

    nathan Well-Known Member

    there s so much guns in America i dont think it will ever happen. With these recent rise in sales, that means more gun owners. We need to reach out to non gun owners to our side, and work on our political wing the NRA . Share knowledges and enthusiasm with non gunowners like inviting them for a range time. Explain in simple terms the benefits of gun ownership, etc.
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2013
  14. 2ifbyC

    2ifbyC Well-Known Member

    Two major reasons that Obama won the election were his pledge of redistribution of wealth to nurture the poor/middle class with continued federal assistance and the compassion/respect, perceived or real, for the minority races.

    The poor state of the economy, which was overlooked by his campaign and the media, helped his cause. Rather than creating a job market that was robust and allowed for self-sufficiency, he extended the safety net to make people more dependent on government. When you have a family to feed, what is more important to you, your 2A rights or your food stamps? Overthrow by a tyrannical government is one of the least concerns in your mind.

    We need to create an environment that fosters self-sufficiency, pride of accomplishment, and job opportunities for all. The safety net should be available to only those that are truly in need.

    It will take god leadership for the tide to be reversed. I believe we have a good base of candidates that can revive that natural work instinct in all races in America.
  15. buckeye8

    buckeye8 Well-Known Member

    I teach Government in an "inner city" high school, and while you are right about the mentality that has taken hold in minority communities in America, I can assure you that when properly taught the history and meaning of the Constitution of the United States, including the 2nd Amendment, those minority students "get it" just as well as anyone else. The message of liberty resonates across languages and cultures, but can only do so if it is spoken. I can promise you that no student of mine, no matter how poor or what color, has ever left my classroom confused about the meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

    Don't complain about others' ignorance. Teach them. The truth is on your side.
  16. Quick Shot xMLx

    Quick Shot xMLx Well-Known Member

    As a Hispanic I fear you are right. I'm an avid gun owner and I didn't vote for Pres Zero or any CommieCrats. I'm afraid to inform you that I'm a minority within a minority. Most young people in general just don't care about guns. They've let the media and the schools indoctrinate them. On top of that most are still hypnotized by the Hopey Changey crap.

    The 2A culture is spreading but I don't think it'll be enough. The urban black/hispanic communities continue to blame guns for the violence, not realizing half the places they live in have incredibly strict gun laws which prevent the lawful people from protecting themselves and also not realizing its their own corrupt culture that creates the violence. The liberal emasculation and victim mentality has also spread among the white youth. "Why own a gun when I can call 911"...and get raped/robbed/killed meanwhile. They also don't understand the historical significance of the 2A.

    At this point the only way is secession.
  17. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    I keep hearing this negativism but my 14 year old daughter and her friends have been taught about this since they were in 5th grade in the public schools here. I don't know what sort of places your kids are going to, but we've not seen evidence of these claims here.
  18. kwguy

    kwguy Well-Known Member

    Sharpshooter, I see your point, but like those have mentioned, you have to keep in it and not give up. I only just joined this forum last month, but have been an NRA member for quite some time. I've burned up my keyboard with email's to my reps, and donated what I could.

    Here is a very good link that I'm sure surprised some people, and angered others for not adhering to that "monolithic block" way of thinking. And this is out of california, which makes it even sweeter:

  19. Archangel14

    Archangel14 Well-Known Member

    That figure means nothing. Blacks vote democrat by HUGE numbers all the time. Didn't Kerry get something like 87% of the Black vote in 2004? Anyway, Obama is black and that means something special to good black folk. Man, this country has been very hard on the black man, and while we have come a very, very long way, it's still relatively recent history.

    The point is that when it comes to guns it's really a cultural thing. Andrew Breitbart was so right when he said that the fight should be for the culture. Guns are cultural. You can be a left wing guy who just loves guns (I know some). I have three close friends who voted for Obama who are scrambling to buy guns. They do not have this in the bag!
  20. Mauserguy

    Mauserguy Well-Known Member

    Wow, I totally dissagree with your implication that minorities are liberal and anti-gun. Having grown up and gone to college in California I've known lots of minorities, some very closely. That they are all liberal is dead wrong. Frankly, some of the minorities I know are far more conservative, and gun loving, than many of the wishy-washy whites in my circle.

    I do agree that the socialist cycle of dependancy that has taken hold in our country is a cancer and does not bode well for liberty, whether guns or free speech, but that is not at all racial.

    All I can say is vote the right way, and be an example of good behavior in your community.

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