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This one just left me speachless... can you tell she's a Journalism major?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Drizzt, Oct 8, 2005.

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  1. Drizzt

    Drizzt Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Moscow on the Colorado, TX
    Mac Mouths Off
    Conceal carry laws should not include privacy provisions
    By Susan MacLaughlin
    Published: Thursday, October 6, 2005

    When my step-dad died last spring, my family began a long process of clearing out his personal possessions. Some we gave to charity, and others, including family heirlooms, were dispersed among his children, siblings and nieces and nephews.

    As we culled through his closet, I was shocked to learn that my family owned a gun.

    I deserve the right to at least know they have that power.

    What floored me was when my mom nonchalantly asked me to take the gun out to my uncle's truck. I had never touched a gun before.

    However, not wanting to make waves, I did it. And, despite being in its case, in poor repair and most importantly unloaded, I somehow worried that I'd shoot myself. I was scared throughout the minute-long walk outside to the driveway.

    I never want to touch a gun again.

    And I don't know if I'd want a gun in my house again, either.

    Last Thursday, state Sen. Dave Zien, R-Eau Claire, and state Rep. Scott Gunderson, R-Waterford, introduced legislation that would allow people to carry concealed weapons. Zien also championed a similar bill two years ago that was vetoed by Democratic Governor Jim Doyle.

    The current piece of legislation makes me nervous. I don't like the idea of not knowing if Joe Schmo walking down the street is packing or not.

    What's worse is that in its current form, the legislation states this vital information about who is carrying a concealed weapon should be kept totally private - even from law enforcement.

    This would mean that in situations like routine traffic stops, officers would not be able to check to see if the vehicle's owner had a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

    Despite what the National Rifle Association says, it is in fact guns, not people alone, that kill other people. Those hired to keep us safe have a right to expect a certain degree of protection as well. We owe it to our officers to give them information about potentially dangerous situations, especially if we have it right at our fingertips.

    If officers don't know who has a gun or not, they will likely have to treat everyone as if they are carrying a dangerous weapon. And really, would you blame them?

    Further, the public has a right to know who is and is not carrying a concealed weapon.

    Zien and Gunderson said in a recent Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article it wouldn't be fair to those choosing to conceal weapons, because it would make them targets in criminal investigations, even if they didn't have a reason to suspect them.

    You know what? Tough. If people feel the need to conceal weapons, they should expect some consequences. And maybe being questioned now and then will be one of those consequences. If they don't commit crimes, they should have little to worry about. (If that's her opinion, then I guess she won't mind having her home searched occasionally by the police, just to be safe. After all, if she hasn't commited a crime, she should have little to worry about)

    When we're talking about something as serious as guns - which can take a life in an instant - a free flow of information is imperative.

    I understand guns are a necessary part of life. People use them to hunt. Police officers and the men and women in the armed services use them for protection. I understand the Bill of Rights guarantees we all have the right to bear arms.

    I don't understand letting anybody who jumps through small hoops walk through the streets with a gun in their back pocket.

    I certainly don't understand not giving the public and the police fair warning. If someone holds the power to surprise me and take my life in a matter of seconds, I deserve the right to at least know they have that power.

    If people are given the choice to conceal and carry weapons, the rest of us should be given the opportunity to have an informed choice on weather or not to associate with them.

    MacLaughlin is a senior print journalism major and editorial editor of The Spectator. Mac Mouths Off is a weekly column that appears every Thursday.


    yeah, the University of Wisconsin has some real winners on it's student paper's staff...... :banghead:
  2. Red Dragon

    Red Dragon Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Petersburg, Michigan
    Everyone holds the power to surprise someone and take their life in a matter of seconds.

    Maybe I should find this person and every time I walk by her I will yell out, " I can stab you in the neck with a pen!! I won't but I have that power!" or " I have a gun!"
    though yelling that out in public tends to cause more panic than be considered "fair warning". Personally, I'm not sure that I would be bothered too too much if when a police officer was running my license it said something about having a concealed carry permit (although I don't have one) but I digress. This story just shows how ignorance is more dangerous than any weapon.
  3. Waitone

    Waitone Mentor

    Dec 25, 2002
    The Land of Broccoli and Fingernails
    There you have it. Inanimate object forces moral actions. The very presence of a firearm within arm's reach causes the owner of the arm to commit moral outrages. The firearm takes control of the victims judgment and forces immoral and illegal activities.

    Somebody call Glen Beck and see if he will loan his duct tape. I've got a headache and I don't think tylenol will help.

    This kind of nonsense would be humorous if it wasn't for the fact these people get into position of influence and power. :eek:
  4. Alex45ACP

    Alex45ACP Participating Member

    Apr 21, 2005
  5. ReadyontheRight

    ReadyontheRight Senior Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Minnesota - nine months of ice and snow...three mo

    She's certainly not a History major. Apparently she can only comprehend one kind of "law enforcement".
  6. Crosshair

    Crosshair Participating Member

    Mar 25, 2005
    Grand Forks, North Dakota
    Someone needs to send her a responce and hit her with a clue by four.
  7. Shear_stress

    Shear_stress Senior Member

    Apr 27, 2005
    I totally agree with her. The Suzuki 1300 GSXR Hayabusa can also take a life in a second. How can someone ever justify owning something so dangerous? What we need is a public list of registered Hayabusa owners. After all, I'm not sure I want to associate with people who own these things. Full disclosure is imperative.
  8. gwalchmai

    gwalchmai Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    outside the perimeter
    Once we read this part, and see that she's irrational, is there any point in reading any further, other than the morbid curiosity which makes us look at gruesome traffic accidents?
  9. MaterDei

    MaterDei Senior Member

    Sep 23, 2003
    Rule #1: A gun is always loaded.
  10. Chawbaccer

    Chawbaccer Participating Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    I deserve the right to at least know they have that power
    college kids should have some familiarity with the second ammendment.
  11. Travis McGee

    Travis McGee Participating Member

    Jan 12, 2003
    NE Florida
    What a hopeless nitwit.
  12. Mauserguy

    Mauserguy Active Member

    Jan 13, 2005
    Orange County California
    "...and the men and women in the armed services use them for protection."

    Uh, actually, the people in the military don't use firearms for protection. They use them to aggressively promote US foreign policy. Protection is deffensive, our military prefers to be on the offensive.

    "I was scared throughout the minute-long walk outside to the driveway."

    I suspect that her anti nature could be mitigated if she received some good instruction or range time. This is a statement of ignorance.
  13. Don Gwinn

    Don Gwinn Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 21, 2002
    Virden, IL
    This just struck me as funny. She never wants to touch a gun again, but she's undecided on the issue of having it in the house (apparently, it might be OK to own a gun if she carried it around the house with salad tongs.)

    I suggest letters to this genius. Mine's going to start out this way:

  14. garyk/nm

    garyk/nm Member

    Dec 17, 2004
    New Mexico, USA
    Well said, Don! Hope it has some effect on her.

    Otherwise <searching for biatch-slap smilie>
  15. Kilroy

    Kilroy New Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    High Plains
    Just sent this in reply to her column:

    It appears that "Mac" has thought little, if at all, about the responsibility for safety in our society. It seems that she thinks that Law Enforcement is responsible for her protection, when in reality; police have no duty to protect any individual person.

    She states, "...in situations like routine traffic stops, officers would not be able to check to see if the vehicle's owner had a permit to carry a concealed weapon." She continues with, "If officers don't know who has a gun or not, they will likely have to treat everyone as if they are carrying a dangerous weapon."

    In bursting her naive bubble, police officers should treat everyone as a potential armed danger. They are trained to do so. Any well educated person must expect them to do so. Mac needs to go find a Citizens Police Academy and broaden her views of the world. No traffic stop is ever considered “routine.” Not by those that have to do them.

    When a police officer contacts a citizen, they know literally nothing about that person. Handing over some form of photo ID is a start, but still no assurance of the background of that contact. What should the officer think if presented with a permit to carry a concealed firearm? "Oh My God....they have a gun!!" The more rational officer is going to realize that this person is presenting proof that they have already undergone a thorough background check in order to gain that permit. Absent such a permit, that officer won't know if they have the true identity of the person presenting the ID. Also absent in most jurisdictions is an immediate indication that this person has a criminal history, a history of stalking others or should be considered a sexual predator.

    Mac continues with "If someone holds the power to surprise me and take my life in a matter of seconds, I deserve the right to at least know they have that power." This is exactly the sort of comment I have had from people I have arrested who were criminals and fearful of armed citizens.

    If Mac had examined the history of concealed carry of firearms in recent years, she'd have found that the sort of fearful protests she makes were often echoed in states that changed their laws to allow citizens the ability to protect themselves. Those fears were not realized and crime against persons in those states decreased.

    Finally, Mac said, "If people are given the choice to conceal and carry weapons, the rest of us should be given the opportunity to have an informed choice on weather or not to associate with them."

    I'd offer two points in reply to this comment. In the real world, you'd be surprised to learn who in public life values themselves and their accomplishments by choosing to have a firearm for personal protection. People you already know do so, but certainly aren't going to tell you for fear of you "outing" them. Others include Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer and numerous others who certainly don't want to extend that ability of self protection to you.

    Lastly, "weather" is the state of the atmosphere at a given time and place, with respect to variables such as temperature, moisture, wind velocity, and barometric pressure. "Whether" is probably the word you were looking for and what we'd expect from the editorial editor of this newspaper.
  16. Nightfall

    Nightfall Participating Member

    Feb 24, 2003
    Behold the future of American journalism; a left wing, authoritarian creature, ruled by emotions. :barf:
  17. Werewolf

    Werewolf Senior Member

    Sep 12, 2003
    Irrational fear bordering IMO on the insane. That she could contemplate that old gun in disrepair was going to magically jump out of the case, load itself and then shoot her! :eek:


    My 4 year old grand-daughter was sitting on the bed by me when I read the OP. I picked up the holstered Sig P220 I keep near my computer laid it on the bed beside her and asked:

    Mara - is this gun gonna just jump out of its holster and shoot you all by itself?

    She thought about it for a second or two and said No pawpaw... The look she gave me silently asked Are you nuts or something - what kind of a stupid question was that?

    Imagine that - a 4 year old with more sense than an adult. :scrutiny:

    What a world we live in! :banghead:
  18. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 29, 2002
    Guns are icky!


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  19. Strings

    Strings Senior Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    30 miles from Everywhere, right in the middle of N
    Where'd you find her contact info? I think we ALL need to be sending her info (and a few range invites might be a good idea too)...
  20. TonkinTwentyMil

    TonkinTwentyMil Member

    Oct 29, 2004
    Way past High Noon.

    (definition... straight from Websters)

    "Intensive political indoctrination aimed at changing a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with a fixed and unquestioned set of beliefs."

    This young lady's bought the whole Academic-Left spitload of politically correct Thought Control -- hook, line, and sinker.

    Let her grow up, marry some similarly-bent conflict-averse pacifist/cultural elitist metrosexual... and eventually ditch him when he simulates a turtle some dark night when a horde of socially-disadvantaged methamphetamine street cretins shove some, uhh, Unregistered Semi-Automatic Assault Knives into her naive, Starbucks latte'-tanned face.

    Meanwhile, I urge all men posting here to do everything in their power to avoid/shun/boycott ANY female demonstrating the slightest whiff of this babe's mindset. They deserve to have their utopian-hot-house learning slam head-on into the realities of the Street. The only question, my friends, is this: will that be on YOUR (divorce settlement) nickel?

    Betcha she gets great grades in journalism school, though.
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