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Time for some more good news

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by tyler500e, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. tyler500e

    tyler500e Well-Known Member

  2. Solo

    Solo Well-Known Member

    Morbo says Executive Orders do not work that way.
  3. HorseSoldier

    HorseSoldier Well-Known Member

    I don't think they'll try executive orders as a tactic, because they'll get slaughtered in the courts. The president, not even His Annointed Democratic Highness Barack Hussein the 1st, doesn't get to issue orders violating the US Constitution. Odds of it passing judicial scrutiny are low to nil. Odds of it costing the Democrats heavily in the mid term elections, pretty good. Odds of it being the straw that breaks the impeachment camel's back after the Dems lose bad in the mid term elections? Remote, but a possibility all the same.
  4. kwguy

    kwguy Well-Known Member

    These guys are playing the long game. They have been forever. My gosh, Feinstein has been working her friggin bill for like, what, 50 years? And she still sounds like an idiot when she speaks about the subject. They ALL do. They sound stupid, and patronizing: (I mean: Hunters? Really? The 2nd Amendment was to preserve hunting? How ELSE did you get food back then? So the founders passed an amendment to the constitution that allows us to get groceries?! Because that's what they expect the public to believe).

    All these power hungry people stay READY to pounce upon and capitalize on something like the Newtown murders. They were ready.

    The people that remember the 1994 ban have diminished somewhat, and the opportunists count on short memories to get their nonsense through (or try). Dumb ideas that were dumb back then can be tried again because a newer generation of people might think they are good ideas. But no, they're still dumb ideas.

    We suffer from "generational amnesia", which is why humanity always does the same stupid stuff over and over again. They know this, and want to use it. EO's is just one part of it. Whatever they can get, they'll get, because they know they will keep trying. A constant vigiliance is needed on our parts.
  5. radiotom

    radiotom Well-Known Member

    Slaughtered in the courts? Like they did last year with Obamacare?
  6. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member


    i've been fighting gun control since before the GCA 1968 and have a good handle on gun control efforts at the national level. After about 10 years the facts become blurred as many attempt to put their own spin on events. Example: Folks don't like to be reminded that a congressman who voted for the GCA 1968 went on to join the NRA and became president.
  7. jmorris

    jmorris Well-Known Member

  8. Yo Mama

    Yo Mama Well-Known Member

    Just because the Washington Times says it's so, doesn't mean anything.

    Now, I was encouraged that when the House members heard Biden's hint at EO, they came out and said no way.
  9. Hapworth

    Hapworth Well-Known Member

    I'll add what I (tentatively) think is some, too. Indications of the Administration backpedaling on some of their earlier plans, following the NRA meeting. No mention of going after assault weapons, online ammo sales and some of the other previous targets.

    Neither ideal nor final, but for now an indicator that the White House doesn't want to spend the political capital it now realizes it's going to take to make a major change. All the more telling, this is as reported by The New York Times.

  10. Batty67

    Batty67 Well-Known Member

    I thought it was a pretty informative and balanced piece. Not much substance of course, since it is all speculative.
  11. sidheshooter

    sidheshooter Well-Known Member

  12. mdauben

    mdauben Well-Known Member

    Just ran acros this today:

    Gun control debate: Is an assault weapons ban out of reach?

    Of course, this doesn't mean we can slack off! Keep the pressure on your congresscritters to oppose any new firearms restrictions.
  13. 2ifbyC

    2ifbyC Well-Known Member

  14. bds

    bds Well-Known Member

    Posted on Yahoo News today - http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-control-debate-assault-weapons-ban-reach-094810128.html

  15. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

    I see the suggestion of resorting to the issuance of an executive order as an indicator of a certain level of this Administration's desperation- that is, on some level the Administration realizes that getting any firearms legislation, new or renewed, through the House of Representatives is going to be "problematic" at best, that they've created an enemy in Boehner (and most of the Republican party) that would delight in burying any proposed legislation in some obscure sub-committee and letting it languish there.
  16. Gtscotty

    Gtscotty Well-Known Member

    From the WSJ article posted above:

    This pretty much sums up my theory on the current motivations and actions of the WH.

    I'm still going to send snail-mail letters to my congressmen, the heat needs to remain turned up in order for us to limit them to Plan B (gain political capital by blaming the other side for blocking grandiose gun control plans).

    Edit: I also agree with 481's assessment of the EO discussion at hand.
  17. HorseSoldier

    HorseSoldier Well-Known Member

    As the latest linked articles suggest, it is looking like the situation might work out to Biden and Barry-O calling for gun confiscation, mandatory forehead tattoos of all gun owners, legislation outlawing the very word gun and every other extreme measure they can think of and then saying "oh, we'll compromise and just accept a ban on high capacity magazines." The up-thread suggestion to keep up the heat on Congress members about this issue is very well made.
  18. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

    That analysis seems to right in line with Zero's "lead-from-behind" posture.

    I've redoubled my efforts in that arena, too. We cannot let up, ever.

    How's that saying go?

    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
  19. kwguy

    kwguy Well-Known Member

    ^^^ Absolutely! Keep up the pressure.

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