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Title: Unclear if gun ban works. Article: Gun ban does not work at all.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Jdude, Nov 19, 2007.

  1. Jdude

    Jdude Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    Source: Boston.Com

    Effectiveness of D.C. gun ban still a mystery
    Email|Print| Text size – + By Paul Duggan
    The Washington Post / November 18, 2007

    WASHINGTON - Three decades ago, at the dawn of municipal self-government in the District of Columbia, the city's first elected mayor and council enacted one of the country's toughest gun-control measures, a ban on handgun ownership that opponents have long said violates the Second Amendment.

    All these years later, with the constitutionality of the ban now probably headed for a US Supreme Court review, a much-debated practical question remains unsettled: Has a law aimed at reducing the number of handguns in the District made city streets safer?

    Although studies through the decades have reached conflicting conclusions, this much is clear: The ban, passed with strong public support in 1976, has not accomplished everything the mayor and council of that era wanted it to.

    Over the years, gun violence has continued to plague the city, reaching staggering levels at times.

    In making by far their boldest public policy decision, Washington's first elected officials wanted other jurisdictions, especially neighboring states, to follow the lead of the nation's capital by enacting similar gun restrictions, cutting the flow of firearms into the city from surrounding areas.

    "We were trying to send out a message," recalled Sterling Tucker, the council chairman at the time.

    Nadine Winters, also a council member then, said, "My expectation was that this being Washington, it would kind of spread to other places, because these guns, there were so many of them coming from Virginia and Maryland."

    It didn't happen. Guns kept coming. And bodies kept falling.

    Opponents of the ban, who won a March ruling in which the US Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit declared the law unconstitutional, said in a legal filing that the District's "31-year experiment with gun prohibition" has been a "complete failure." Meanwhile, D.C. officials, who have asked the Supreme Court to reverse the March decision, say the ban is a legally permissible public-safety measure that has saved lives.

    Which side is correct depends on whose social science research is accurate. Although the city points to research indicating that street violence would have been worse without the law, opponents of the ban cite studies to the contrary.

    "It's a pretty common-sense idea that the more guns there are around, the more gun violence you'll have," D.C. Attorney General Linda Singer said.

    "One of the difficult things is, you can't measure what didn't happen," Singer said. "You can't measure how many guns didn't come into the District because we have this law."

    But you can measure the violence that did occur, using the bellwether offense of homicide to chart the ebb and flow of crime in the District since the ban was enacted. And the violence here over those years was worse than in most other big cities, many of them in states with far less restrictive gun laws.

    When they imposed the ban in 1976, then-Mayor Walter E. Washington, a Democrat, and the council were reacting to public concern about crime, which began rising across the country in the mid-1960s.

    The ban aroused anger on Capitol Hill. And in a different year, Congress might have scuttled the law, as it was empowered to do. But with a presidential election just a few months away, members were reluctant to debate gun control.

    The law required all existing handguns, rifles, and shotguns in the District to be re-registered, then kept disassembled or with triggers locked.

    In 1977, the first full year of the ban, the city recorded 192 homicides. The total rose to 223 in 1981, then fell to 147 in 1985 - the lowest annual homicide toll in the District since 1966. At the time, the rate for the country also was trending down.

    Which turned out to be the calm before the slaughter.

    The advent of the crack market and the unprecedented street violence it unleashed nationwide sent homicide rates soaring in the latter half of the 1980s. Not only did the number of killings surge in the District, the homicide rates here also far exceeded the rates in crack-ridden cities where handguns had not been banned.

    In the peak year, 1991, the District reported 482 homicides.

    Almost as sharply as violence in the District increased, it declined through the 1990s, a drop researchers attributed to the burning out and aging of a generation of crack dealers and users. Again, the shift reflected national trends.

    Yet the gun culture on the city's mean streets during the crack epidemic has not abated, police statistics show. Even as the homicide toll declined in D.C. after 1991, the percentage of killings committed with firearms remained far higher than it was when the ban was passed.

    Guns were used in 63 percent of the city's 188 slayings in 1976. Last year, out of 169 homicides, 81 percent were shootings.

    Meanwhile, periodic ATF reports have documented that firearms, flowing in from elsewhere in the country, remain available on D.C. streets - exactly what the ban was designed to prevent.
    © Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company.
  2. ServiceSoon

    ServiceSoon Participating Member

    Jan 3, 2006
    Don't forget about the center for disease control report that says the same thing.
  3. grampster
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    grampster Elder

    Dec 26, 2002
    Wilderness of West Michigan
    I'd like to see what the stats are, as mentioned in the above report, as to who was shooting who. In other words, were guns used in a higher proportion in shootings of goblin vs goblin or otherwise?
  4. v35

    v35 Active Member

    Feb 8, 2006
    V35 Family Compound, Bucks County, Pennsylvania
    Let me fix it for you Ms Singer:
    All better now.
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2007
  5. joffe

    joffe New Member

    Jul 30, 2007
    Don't say 'illegal gun violence', say 'violent crime'. Their first tactic is to couple violence with crime (thus making self-defense immoral), and then to couple guns with violence (instead of crime, which would be even easier to debunk than their current drivel).
  6. v35

    v35 Active Member

    Feb 8, 2006
    V35 Family Compound, Bucks County, Pennsylvania
    ^^^ consider it done :)

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