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To the Democrats Out There

Discussion in 'Legal' started by mountainclmbr, Mar 9, 2004.

  1. mountainclmbr

    mountainclmbr Well-Known Member

    I challenge gun-owning Democrats out there to explain how they vote for Democrats when the Democrat anti-gun agenda is so clear.

    Don't come back with the old "Bush promised to sign AWB renewal" story. If he ACTUALLY signs it, then you can say that.

    I am asking about how people who vote Democrat rationalize their vote against actual historical events, not speculation about events that probably will not happen.

    I copied this from another site. This is the voting record for Senators to attach AWB renewal to bill 1805 whose purpose was to ban frivolous law suits against gun manufacturers and dealers. Notice the difference between the Republicans and the Donks. Republicans voting to sell us out are marked with "*", Democrats voting with us are marked with "#".

    Akaka (D-HI), Yea
    Alexander (R-TN), Nay
    Allard (R-CO), Nay
    Allen (R-VA), Nay
    Baucus (D-MT), Nay #
    Bayh (D-IN), Yea
    Bennett (R-UT), Nay
    Biden (D-DE), Yea
    Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
    Bond (R-MO), Nay
    Boxer (D-CA), Yea
    Breaux (D-LA), Yea
    Brownback (R-KS), Nay
    Bunning (R-KY), Nay
    Burns (R-MT), Nay
    Byrd (D-WV), Yea
    Campbell (R-CO), Nay
    Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
    Carper (D-DE), Yea
    Chafee (R-RI), Yea *
    Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
    Clinton (D-NY), Yea
    Cochran (R-MS), Nay
    Coleman (R-MN), Nay
    Collins (R-ME), Yea *
    Conrad (D-ND), Yea
    Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
    Corzine (D-NJ), Yea
    Craig (R-ID), Nay
    Crapo (R-ID), Nay
    Daschle (D-SD), Yea
    Dayton (D-MN), Yea
    DeWine (R-OH), Yea *
    Dodd (D-CT), Yea
    Dole (R-NC), Nay
    Domenici (R-NM), Nay
    Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Durbin (D-IL), Yea
    Edwards (D-NC), Yea
    Ensign (R-NV), Nay
    Enzi (R-WY), Nay
    Feingold (D-WI), Nay
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea *
    Frist (R-TN), Nay
    Graham (D-FL), Yea
    Graham (R-SC), Nay
    Grassley (R-IA), Nay
    Gregg (R-NH), Yea *
    Hagel (R-NE), Nay
    Harkin (D-IA), Yea
    Hatch (R-UT), Nay
    Hollings (D-SC), Yea
    Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
    Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
    Inouye (D-HI), Yea
    Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
    Johnson (D-SD), Not Voting
    Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
    Kerry (D-MA), Yea
    Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
    Landrieu (D-LA), Nay #
    Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
    Leahy (D-VT), Yea
    Levin (D-MI), Yea
    Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
    Lott (R-MS), Nay
    Lugar (R-IN), Yea *
    McCain (R-AZ), Nay
    McConnell (R-KY), Nay
    Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
    Miller (D-GA), Nay #
    Murkowski (R-AK), Nay
    Murray (D-WA), Yea
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Nay #
    Nickles (R-OK), Nay
    Pryor (D-AR), Yea
    Reed (D-RI), Yea
    Reid (D-NV), Nay #
    Roberts (R-KS), Nay
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Santorum (R-PA), Nay
    Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
    Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    Sessions (R-AL), Nay
    Shelby (R-AL), Nay
    Smith (R-OR), Yea *
    Snowe (R-ME), Yea *
    Specter (R-PA), Nay
    Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
    Stevens (R-AK), Nay
    Sununu (R-NH), Nay
    Talent (R-MO), Nay
    Thomas (R-WY), Nay
    Voinovich (R-OH), Yea *
    Warner (R-VA), Yea *
    Wyden (D-OR), Yea

    Only five Democrats were against renewing the assault weapons ban of 1994. The rest are the ones that want to control your life. As a free person I resent any person who wants to control MY life.

    I was just wondering how gunowners that vote for Democrats rationalize their votes. I also want to know how gunowners living in a state with a "*" Republican Senator feel about the betrayal.
  2. Moparmike

    Moparmike Well-Known Member

    They will tell you that they believe that there are issues bigger than RKBA to them, and are not single-issue voters. They believe that a Dem. candidate is closer to their personal and political views than Bush is, and that is why they will vote for their candidate of choice.
  3. HBK

    HBK member

    Weird, though. Voting to give up your weapons and freedom...just strikes me as weird. I know some idiot liberal will probably throw the Patriot act up in my face, but it's not like voting for gun control.
  4. bountyhunter

    bountyhunter member

    Amen. If an arrogant, trigger-happy leader takes the world into Armageddon, owning your AR-15 isn't going to matter much.
  5. grampster

    grampster Well-Known Member

    I could vote Democrat if it didn't mean pushing us further toward the United Socialist States of America and look forward to giving up our sovereignty to the United (thirdworld)Nations. The Repubs are also starting to worry me due to their desire to know everything about me for
    their sheeple database. Big Brothers, both of em. The Repubs now want access to our medical records for any or no reason at all. Don't look to the SCoTUS, they sold us out on the 1A and probably soon the 2A as well as all the others they ignore in the quest for political correctness.

    I actually am worried that America's day in the sun is coming to an end. The sad part it is because of inattention on the part of the sheeple. Bread and games. Maybe Kruschev was right. We are falling apart from the inside. While the pols rush around suckin up the money and power, we are being overunn by illegal immigrants who do not want to assimilate.

    I feel a rant coming on.......I'll shut up!:fire: :cuss: :banghead: :barf:
  6. mountainclmbr

    mountainclmbr Well-Known Member

    Yep. That bad old GWB. He deposed a soft cuddly Stalinist dictator who was a state sponsor of terrorism and hated the USA. A soft, kind, cuddly Stalinist who paid rewards to families of Palistinean suicide bombers and who had one of his embassy employees expelled from the Phillipines after being contacted by an Abu Sayef terrorist bomber that was trying to collect the reward money offered for killing US Citizens. Does it surprise me that many leftists liked Saddam more than GWB? Nope.

    And that bad old Ollie North. He was interfering with the Soviet/Cuban plan to overthrow central american countries and install Communist governments. He did this after the Democrats in congress prevented Reagan from providing aid and training to the embattled government. Am I surprised that the Democrats favored the Soviets and Cubans over North and Reagan? Nope.

    The Democrats seem to fawn over any Marxist or Stalinist dictator. I guess my question was a really stupid one. I know that many Democrats are only single issue voters when it comes to Communism. My question should have been "Why would any Democrats challenge total state control by owning a gun?"
  7. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    I have an IQ of 135, and my SAT equivalent is 1400. What's yours? How many languages do you speak?

    And yes, I believe the 4th amendment matters as much as the 2nd.
  8. J Jones

    J Jones member

    Tooting your horn is hardly a valid counter-argument.
  9. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    JJ - It is, if the other person calls you an "idiot liberal"

    Now, I think I have proven him wrong.:neener:
  10. Intune

    Intune Well-Known Member

    Press on: nothing in the world can take the place of perseverance. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
    Calvin Coolidge

    Education is a method whereby one acquires a higher grade of prejudices.
    - Dr. Laurence J. Peter

    I have never been hurt by anything I didn't say.
    Calvin Coolidge

  11. Boats

    Boats member

    Well I have an IQ of 180, aced my SAT at 1600 and can speak fluently in three languages and carry on conversationally in five more. I bugged the United Nations and didn't get caught. I taught Steven Seagal everything he "knows." I set up Martha Stewart for a prison term. I tipped off CNN to Howard Dean's affection for primal scream therapy. I singlehandedly swayed the SCOTUS to not grant cert to Silviera. I cribbed The Sixth Sense and Signs for M. Night Shamayalan. How? 'Cuz I said so on the internet.

    Whaddya say to that? At least I know which country I am in and not kibbutzing about the Israeli version of the NRA. Pardon, who is that again, I feel like being a critical of them as a non-citizen.

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
  12. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    Obviously, Boats, the documents related to the state of affairs in the GOH of Israel are written in arcane tongues and incomprehensible to non-citizens. D'oh... how could a non-citizen understand anything?:neener:

    P.S. kibbitzing is the proper spelling.:neener: :neener:
  13. grampster

    grampster Well-Known Member

    See, Micro, that's why you are a Liberal. You have no sense of humor!

    Boats really did mean "Kibbutzing" That was a play on words and he interjected a little humor into his missive. Sigh.......liberals, you gotta love em 'cause they miss all the joy and humor in the world.

    Lighten up kiddo.

  14. Mark Tyson

    Mark Tyson Well-Known Member

    Okay, let's stop comparing brain pans . . .

    I register Democrat because on the balance I line up with Democrats more than Republicans. Maybe it's because I grew up in a very liberal area, I don't know. On some other things I actually agree with Bush, and I don't hate the man like a lot of others do.

    I'll cross party lines if need be, and I'll let The Party know about it. I'm working on a nasty-gram to the DLC over the dirty, ugly politics we saw in the Senate over the lawsuit immunity bill. I'm still seething over that. I'm going to photocopy the next check I send to NRA and send it to Terry McAuliffe's office, and tell them that the money could have gone to the party.

    I hope Republicans will punish the traitors in their midst - Warner comes to mind - at the polls, and not just unhesitatingly vote for the "R" party because it's better than the "D" party.

    And there's no way in hell I'm voting for John The Armor-Piercing Duck Hunter Kerry.

    As for the patriot act I am confident that it can be fought in the courts. I also think that most of the people who voted for it will not be anxious about renewing it. There are other issues such as the material witness and immigrant detentions that are seperate from the patriot act; they can be exposed and fought by groups like the ACLU.
  15. Battler

    Battler Well-Known Member

    As an issue nothing comes CLOSE to that of wealth redistribution.

    That the party that delays the growth of America's socialist institutions happens to be more pro-gun comes from the loose association between gun ownership and self reliance.

    The effect on your life (pro or anti) of owning a gun is inconsequential compared to the effect of one person being able to take half of your working life, or some portion of your property, by pulling a lever in a polling booth. A burglar with murderous intent could take more than that from you (100% of your life); but on average they get much less.

    I don't take the Democrats as particularly anti-war, it's just that Republicans aren't as loud opposing their opponent's wars.

    I believe the protests against going into Iraq would have been 0 if Clint/Gore were in charge.

    Where were the protesters in the Kosovo war? Is it a "quagmire" because US troops are still there? Where are the 100,000 dead people that were the pretext for the war? Did they lie when they found out the dead numbered in the low hundreds? Where were the cries of "the Serbs are no threat to us"? There were none, as the person in charge was a Democrat.

    The only issue is wealth redistribution - 99% of the population takes sides on any given issue based on that.

    Me - I don't despise Democrats for wanting to steal the guns I worked to earn. I despise them for wanting to take everything I work to earn.
  16. Greg Bell

    Greg Bell Well-Known Member

    "I have an IQ of 135, and my SAT equivalent is 1400. What's yours? How many languages do you speak?"

    WOW! Now the argument is all over. The guy with the highest IQ wins.

    Wait a minute, I scored 158 Stanford-Binet! Now dogs, bow before me!
  17. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    GB: I think you missed the point.
  18. Greg Bell

    Greg Bell Well-Known Member

    Nah, just messin' with you!:D
  19. Mark Tyson

    Mark Tyson Well-Known Member

    There were protests of Clinton's foreign policy in Iraq and Kosovo. Before a series of strikes in Iraq there was a big one when Madeline Albright and Cohen visited a college campus. There were huge protests in Greece over US involvement in Kosovo, and Clinton's subsequent visit. Michael Moore says he is just as opposed to Clinton's military action as is to Bush's.
  20. Battler

    Battler Well-Known Member

    I can be twice as strong as you, yet if you build a house with your strength and I knock them down, it's all for naught.

    So it is with intellect. I've often entered arguments with people smarter than myself who consider that their irrational human-hating philosophies must be right as they're being imposed by someone who probably couldn't score as high on an IQ test.

    Do you use your intelligence to defend individual rights, or to intellectually evade that which is real or rationalize away some violation of your fellow man? Or perhaps join the ranks of those generating propoganda for useful idiots to run with?

    A classic example of an accomplished anti-intellectual is Ralph Nader. That is one smart man. But he doesn't waste his time and brainpower inventing cars, or finding ways to get people to want to buy them. That's for mundanes and dumb-a**es. As a non-productive person, he has extra time to write up propoganda to make governments use their guns to force them to make cars he likes. He's smart enough to know better than the rest of us what kind of cars we should drive - it shouldn't be between mundanes (car makers and buyers), nosirree, can't bypass the mighty mind of Nader. He can whittle away the hours other spend inventing and working inventing great fallacies like "they'd never make safer cars, and people wouldn't want them, if I didn't force them to".


    Other highly intelligent people who've bettered the lives of their fellow human beings through their ability to use intellectual evasions and propoganda include Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot. . . . .

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