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Today's hearing did not discuss psychotropic medication

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by Pocket Rocket, Jan 30, 2013.

  1. Pocket Rocket

    Pocket Rocket Well-Known Member

    After watching/listening to today's Senate hearing I am amazed that psychotropic medications were barely discussed and that there was no panelist representing that segment of the debate on gun violence. This omission prompted me to start another round of letters to my representatives. An excerpt of my letter is available below and I urge you to write something similar to your Senators:

  2. Ryanxia

    Ryanxia Well-Known Member

    Good letter (aside from the extra "to the recent" in the first sentence). I'm not familiar with the pyschotropic medication, was that actually a common denominator in these recent mass shootings?
  3. Pocket Rocket

    Pocket Rocket Well-Known Member

    I guess common denominator depends on having all the information. The VA Tech shooting involved a perpetrator who had an Rx for meds but none was found in the system. However, it has also been debated that people coming off these medications can have more severe side effects such as suicidal/homicidal thoughts than while taking them.

    I believe presrciption drugs are a big part of the problem and they were a part of the shootings at Aurora, Columbine and VA Tech as well as quite a few other events that received less press coverage. I think it would be foolish to exclude psychotropics from the debate and that is what I intended to get across in the letter.
  4. Solo

    Solo Well-Known Member

    Many shooters were on drugs. Many shooters also drank water.

    Here's the question: did they become crazy after taking drugs, or were they taking drugs because they were crazy?

    NOLAEMT Well-Known Member

    It means that there is no evidence that these meds (which are taken by millions of Americans) played any part in these tragedies.
  6. jrdolall

    jrdolall Well-Known Member

    Many of the ads for these types of drugs have a disclaimer regarding suicide and thoughts of violent behavior. They also mention about a bajillion other potential side effects.

    I agree that mentally unstable people are normally the perpetrators in these mass murders as it takes a mentally unstable person to do something like this.
  7. mokin

    mokin Well-Known Member


    Maybe it's the big pharmacuital lobby against the gun lobby.

    Just sayin'....
  8. bikerdoc

    bikerdoc Moderator

    If they had meds they had a diagnosis
  9. TNBilly

    TNBilly Well-Known Member

    so do you believe its a search for the truth or another song and dance show?
  10. Dirtpile

    Dirtpile Well-Known Member

    Actually the links between SSRI drugs and aggressive or violent behavior have been documented. Most cases were otherwise harmless people having sudden psychotic breaks after starting or just after stopping these meds.

    Even in the case of Virginia Tech. Have any of you seen the pictures of Cho from a couple months vs. a couple weeks before the shooting? The difference in demeanor is unmistakable.

    See http://www.ssristories.com/index.php for a rather long list of cases.
    You can also find some stats on and info regarding known negative effects of these drugs here: https://www.rxisk.org/Research/SpecialtyFilter.aspx?SpecialtyFilter=5
  11. steelerdude99

    steelerdude99 Well-Known Member

    Dirtpile, That's quite a list. As with anything that I see on the internet, I take the information with a "grain of salt" and try to find out who is funding the site and/or the site's mission. I am pretty sure the pharmaceutical industry would not like the contents.

    The home page is http://www.ssristories.com/index.html The contact us link "says the lady who maintains the site has passed away". Via whois.com the site domain name renews annually and expires April 20 of this year. Coincidentally April 20 is the date of Columbine as well as Hitler's birthday. Anyone can get a domain, but they don't have an https cert which is somewhat more difficult to get.

    I did not find anything too big outside the bogus contact us link at the bottom of the home page.

    Last edited: Feb 2, 2013
  12. Pocket Rocket

    Pocket Rocket Well-Known Member


    It felt a lot more like a song and dance than a reasonable discussion to actually do something about gun violence. We heard a lot from the reps about exploring all avenues to find solutions and at the end of the day it was mag limits, universal background checks and a possible AWB. There has been plenty of evidence that shows these aren't effective measures and the absence of any discussion of Rx meds was enough to cause me to say something about it.
  13. Solo

    Solo Well-Known Member

  14. Muskyman

    Muskyman Well-Known Member

    I think presciption drugs are definitely associated with recent mass shootings.

    This video has been posted here before, but it's very good (especially for something Michael Moore is involved with)


    A huge percentage of Americans are taking these types of drugs. Why didn't we need all these drugs 50, or 200 years ago? If it can be proven that something has CHEMICALLY changed in human beings in recent years to warrant such a high percentage of Americans taking these drugs, then I will listen. Until that happens (which it won't), I think they are just a way for a select few to get very very wealthy. It's all about money, and the big pharma companies have a lot of it.
  15. AirForceShooter

    AirForceShooter Well-Known Member

    I think the big point here is the topic of drugs wasn't discussed at all.

  16. Manco

    Manco Well-Known Member

    Well, something has changed in this country, and it's not the availability of firearms, so it must be something else. These drugs are the biggest change that I'm aware of, pertaining to the mentally ill people who perpetrated the string of shootings we've seen. Naturally, those who wish to disarm us (and have been trying for decades, not just now) won't willingly change the subject to psychotropic drugs because it clearly wouldn't support their agenda.
  17. fallout mike

    fallout mike Well-Known Member

    I believe every mass shooting going back to columbine involved the shooter being on psychotic drugs. Again, I said every one. Probably just a coincidence though. I bet they all drank water too.
  18. Lucifer_Sam

    Lucifer_Sam Well-Known Member

    Author information:

    Sitra Tauscher-Wisniewski, M.D.
    Eli Lilly and Company, Indianapolis, Indiana.
    Department of Psychiatry for Children and Adolescents, Medical University of Vienna, Austria
    Mary Nilsson, M.S.
    Eli Lilly and Company, Indianapolis, Indiana.
    Cathy Caldwell, M.S.
    Eli Lilly and Company, Indianapolis, Indiana.
    John Plewes, M.D.
    Eli Lilly and Company, Indianapolis, Indiana.
    Albert J. Allen, M.D.
    Eli Lilly and Company, Indianapolis, Indiana.

    Eli Lilly settled out of court with the victims of a mass shooting in 1989 where the perpetrator was on Prozac. Maybe they just didn't want their name dragged through the mud, but I think its more likely they didnt want close scrutiny of their meds. In any event, I dont give much credence to a research paper by them that proves something that is good for their company. I dont credit big pharma with an overabundance of ethics.

    But in any event, I agree with the OP. And if the had been any other connection as common as being on some type of mental medication it would have been looked at closely by the media. They also pop up in some high profile murders that arent mass shootings and are just bizarre, such as the like that mother drowning her kids case a while back.
  19. steelerdude99

    steelerdude99 Well-Known Member

    Lucifer_Sam, You beat me to the obvious bias in the study. BIG money pays for studies that support what it is they want to say. When I say "BIG", I mean dollars amounts that are in the billions are at stake.

  20. Gordon

    Gordon Well-Known Member

    Just add to the existing 4473 "have been prescribed SSRI drugs" in the "are you a user of " question. Done ! This is a pet peeve of mine and I know it is not a popular opinion that if you can't cope with the pain of life without a drug, you shouldn't use fire arms.

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