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Too much lube on AR 15?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Doxiedad, Jun 6, 2011.

  1. Doxiedad

    Doxiedad Well-Known Member

    Last time I cleaned my M&P 15 i had the BCG well lubed, actually was kinda dripping. Thought I remembered reading somewhere a wet AR is a happy AR.

    Took it to the range and went through 100 rounds pretty quickly (bad day, stress relief)

    Started to get some light white smoke coming from between the bolt and the front handguard. Maybe too much Slip200 EWL on the BCG?

    Also when I was done I noticed while the barrel was cooling down that it was turning a little grayish. Is that normal? This is 2nd time I've been able to shoot rifle, first time was 20 rounds.
  2. Sam Cade

    Sam Cade Member

    No worries. Keep shooting.
  3. ugaarguy

    ugaarguy Moderator Staff Member

    Slip isn't going to burn off the bcg with that few rounds. Sounds like you got the barrel warm enough to burn off the factory grease / preservative. They put it on there because they don't know how long it will sit on dealer shelves before being sold.

    FWIW, I ran 90 rounds through my new AR today, and had the same smoke pouring through the handguard vents. I was running my bcg wet with Breakfree CLP, and that definitely didn't burn off.

    ETA: the grayish color you're seeing is the hard phosphate finish - a quick wipe down with an oiled rag will bring the black color back out.
  4. Doxiedad

    Doxiedad Well-Known Member

    DOH I didn't even think of that, now that you mention it, mine was pouring through all the handguard vents. Damnit too late in the shift for me to be posting stuff online LOL

  5. 12131

    12131 Well-Known Member

    Yup, shoot more and lube more. Gun will be fine.
  6. bkjeffrey

    bkjeffrey Well-Known Member

    Ive seen many AR barrels turn grayish from rapid firing. Nothing to worry about, just put a light coat of oil on it afterwords to keep it from rusting as you most likely burned all the old off.

    Personally, I dont believe you can over lube an AR, mine are always dripping when reassembling, but Im sure someone who has seriously overthought the subject will chime in saying otherwise. In my experience any excess oil will burn off or fling off during operation.

    As far as smoke....just burning oil again
    Ive run countless different AR15s and M16 in conditions from freezing cold weather to 115 degree Iraq heat, all probably had too much lube on them and all ran fine.

    On a side note, myself and just about every other person who has spent some time in the desert with a gun has learned that excessive lube in a sandy enviroment can have adverse effects on operation. Food for thought.

    Lube to your liking and to heck with the rest, you aint gonna hurt that gun with a little oil.

    P.S. I just thought of something, you may want to swab out your chamber with a dry mop, excessive oil in a chamber has been THOUGHT to cause higher than normal chamber pressures because the oil film reduces the internal diameter of the chamber by a bazillionth of a millimeter, never seen any proof of it though. Kinda like how carbon buildup on a gas engine's piston can slightly raise the engines compression ratio...........more food for thought.
  7. Doxiedad

    Doxiedad Well-Known Member

    Yeah I think it was just the factory grease, first time barrel has gotten hot.

    It's what 04:00 now and i've been at work since 19:00 yesterday, should have thought more before posting up LOL

    Thanks for the input though.
  8. LHRGunslinger

    LHRGunslinger Well-Known Member

    The only problem with "over lubing" an AR is getting your storage area covered in the stuff.
  9. 12Bravo20

    12Bravo20 Well-Known Member

    I only had a problem one time with an old M16A1 during winter when using too much CLP. Went to the qualification range during the day and then war games that night. I soaked the bolt with CLP and it did actually freeze shut. Very dusty environments call for a light coat of CLP only. I've never had any problems with any M16A2 or civilian AR15s freezing up in extreme cold weather.
  10. Jeremy2171

    Jeremy2171 Well-Known Member

    I use 2-3 drops of CLP and thats IT! If your AR won't run DRY there is something wrong with it.....
  11. M-Cameron

    M-Cameron member

    a general rule of thumb.........with just about every mechanical machine( with the exception of precision equipment)......very rarely does an actual significant problem result from over-lubrication.

    when in doubt....lubricate.
  12. Zerodefect

    Zerodefect Well-Known Member

    I like to hose the outside of my barrel and gasblock down just so it DEOS start smoking when the gun gets hot.

    Maybe I can mix some Marvel Mystery oil in and get a fire started for extra points. Running 3 gun with a rifle thats on fire would be pretty epic. :eek:

    I use thicker, allmost grease like, oil. It's OK to overlube as long as:
    -you don't plug up the barrel with goo
    -you open the gun up every once in a while to see if there is any dust or kitten buildup
    -it deosn't drip down and fill up your buffer tube
    -your powder stays dry

    And even if the above did happen. It most likely wouldn't be a big deal anyways.
  13. Jeremy2171

    Jeremy2171 Well-Known Member

    Don't forget to put so much lube that your trigger finger is covered......
  14. Shawn Dodson

    Shawn Dodson Well-Known Member

    It is a machine that needs lubrication to operate properly. Running it dry allows dry, gritty material (carbon, soot, dirt, etc.) to build up and impair its operation. Running it wet allows this same dry, gritty material to be suspended in the lube. The lube may get dirty or sludge-like but it still lubricates.
  15. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    A quality AR will run dry - I think Michael Pannone proved that when he stripped a Bravo Company M4 of all lubrication and ran it for 2,000+ rounds with no cleaning.

    However, a wet AR runs better. Even the Bravo Company M4 eventually choked after the combination of dirt and fouling built up. However, there are plenty of examples of ARs that have rarely or never been cleaned in tens of thousands of rounds that function well as long as they are lubed - and you can wipe off carbon fouling with a t-shirt as opposed to getting rock-hard accretions of carbon build up baked on. Not to mention that lubrication allows dust, dirt and debris to migrate away from critical functioning areas.

    Heck, I use 2-3 drops of CLP just on the bolt by itself.
  16. Nugilum

    Nugilum Well-Known Member

    You can over lube an AR? :confused:
  17. Jeremy2171

    Jeremy2171 Well-Known Member

    Wet dry whatever works for you... My M4 in Iraq was ran dry...other than the initial cleaning where I wiped all excess CLP from it and used the 2-3 drops on the bolt/cam pin area there was no additional lube applied. It did not attract dust and did not accumulate carbon buildup. I put well over 10,000 rounds through it with only one stoppage due to a bad mag.

    Nothing like watching one guy run down the line with a squirt bottle of CLP "liberally" spraying CLP into the uppers of M16s...then watching later as they enjoyed cleaning the muddy stinky goop from every crevice with Q-tips and trying to keep dirt out of it as the wind blew. Me I just wiped the upper out with a rag, hit the extension with a chamber brush then dusted the whole thing off with the air hose. Applied 2-3 drops of CLP and put her back in the rack....
  18. JustinJ

    JustinJ Well-Known Member

    "I use 2-3 drops of CLP and thats IT! If your AR won't run DRY there is something wrong with it..... "

    For how many rounds is it supposed to be able to run dry?

    I personally lube all my guns heavy for the range as lube not only improves reliability but also reduces wear and tear. Excessive lube does attract more crud but at the range it aint a big deal. For normal use is a different story.
  19. bigedp51

    bigedp51 member

    A Remington tech rep once told me to put as much oil on my guns as I wanted to. He then said after cleaning and oiling to use a dry rag and wipe as much oil from the rifle as possibly and you still would have more lube than needed.

    The M16/A4 dumps its cyclic gases back into the receiver and any oil will turn into a dirty abrasive paste.

    If any oil gets in the chamber or on your ammo you will double your bolt thrust and can damage your rifle.


    Bolt thrust damaged this bolt, your not running a lathe or milling machine and you do "NOT" need to 'SOAK" or "BATH" any firearm in oil.

  20. Shawn Dodson

    Shawn Dodson Well-Known Member

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