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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Nightcrawler, Feb 25, 2003.

  1. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Well-Known Member

    Ran into some Anti-Americanism in Canada; also made some friends

    Well folks, I recently returned home from the North American Model United Nations conference in Toronto, Ontario. I sign up for Model UN because it's a fun class, we get to go on a trip, adn the instructor is a very intelligent, well-researched political science professor, who also happens to be a Vietnam vet and has a big shiny NRA belt buckle.

    While I don't like the REAL UN very much, Model UN is an interesting experience, and knowing what the other guy is thinking is always a good thing.

    I was representing Colombia, though since one person from another school was sick I got to play the United States too. One of our topics in my committee was small arms proliferation.

    I found it difficult to keep my own feelings at bay, but I did have a chance to use my technical knowledge. I told the committee that we should all strive to know what we are talking about, and I ended up having to explain some technical nuances of firearms to people who had never handled one in their lives. It was an interesting exercise, to say the least, but I did one good thing: I broke the stereotype. Me, and like-minded members from my school, didn't fit the liberal Canadian stereotype of the American Gun Owner, and that can only be a good thing.

    Anti-American sentiments were running high, though. At the Gala Dinner, the only speaker they could scrape up was a left wing Canadian carrer UN bureaucrat who spent half of his overlong speech bashing the US for the pending war with Iraq and other things. All of the University of Toronto and other Canadian students got up and clapped; the Americans booed him, and some of us walked out. He is, of course, entitled to his opinion, but didn't back up anything he said. Besides that, his anti American bigotry was totally unwelcome in a forum supposedly dedicated to diplomacy, and one which over half of its membership is American.

    To be fair, many of the Canadian students apologized. For the MUN forum, they sent out hundreds of invitations for guest speakers, and he was one of ten that responded. He was the last one they had left for the Gala Dinner; the literal bottom of the barrel.

    All in all, though, I had a good time, and made some Canadian friends. I got to show these folks that American gun owners aren't all beer-gutted hillbillies or whatever, and I learned quite a bit about the other guy's sentiments. Toronto is a beautiful city.

    The trip back was interesting. WE got lost, had the highway (402, I believe) closed on us, got lost again, and ended up hitting a deer with the 15-passenger Univeristy Van we were in once we were back in the Upper Peninsula. The van was only damaged a little, but the driver swears he took the deer's head clean off.

    In any case it was a great trip and I look forward to going back again next year.
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2003
  2. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Well-Known Member

    Oh, I heard quite a bit of gun B.S. from the people I made the trip with. One fellow (4-year USAF) insisted that the M9 pistol had more "stopping power" than the M16, and also that he can hit targets at 300 yards with said 9mm pistol.

    Another fellow insisted that the AK-47 can fire 5.56mm ammunition, and that his friend's AK had done just that. I tried to tell him about the differences in bore diamter and chamber dimensions, and that he was probably shooting an SAR CHAMBERED for 5.56mm, but to no avail.

  3. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Well-Known Member

    I found out today that one of the other vans had it worse coming back. They came upon an accident. One guy from our class gave CPR to one of the two victims (on the side of 402 in Ontario) for almost a half-hour, but to no avail. Both accident victims died at the scene. :(
  4. CZ-75

    CZ-75 member

    Maybe he's dyslexic. The AK-74 does, though it is different than .223/5.56 NATO in dimension.
  5. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

    Heh, I remember the Model UN back in high school days. I never took part, but it was something of a tradition at my school that at the end of the day one of the more um...unfriendly nations would take the security council hostage with cap guns.

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