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UK Handgun Ownership/Carry

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by razorback2003, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. razorback2003

    razorback2003 Participating Member

    Aug 24, 2008
    I understand that with the right connections, people can carry handguns in Canada and Australia. I also understand there are quite a few carry permits in Northern Ireland.

    Is it possible for people such as judges, politicians, wealthy in the rest of the UK to own a handgun for protection and also carry it? Does this happen to some degree?
  2. Skribs

    Skribs Mentor

    Oct 29, 2010
    Lakewood, Washington
    I'm not sure, but I think they would have to be very well connected. Most police officers in the UK don't carry a firearm while on duty.
  3. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

    Dec 6, 2010
    What about security services, armored car drivers, etc?

    Even in the draconian land of Illinois, armored car drivers and other types of security people can carry a firearm while working.
  4. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Elder

    Jun 5, 2006
    In a part of Utah that resembles Tattooine.
    Let's put it this way. The UK Olympic pistol teams have to practice outside the country.
  5. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    Apr 24, 2008
    Hot and Humid FL
    Because they are not licensed security or armored car drivers or connected politicians
    They tore down the Olympic shooting venue (or were supposed to) after the Olympics because it was for shooting.
  6. DurangoKid

    DurangoKid New Member

    Nov 28, 2012
    I have not been to Grt. Britian for 15 years. Back at that time my feelings were the general population in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland were antigun. Yes there were some progun people but I met very few. I got so Damn tired being ask why America did a poor job of gun control. They also asked why we lusted after "Blood Sports" Hunting.

    The Republic Of Ireland seemed to be more gun friendly. I visited some gun shops and visited with hunters and shooters. Canada is very antigun I found Canada to be a Police state with the issue of firearms. Austraila outlawed most of the arms like semiautos handguns etc. The citizens marched down and surrendered their firearms without a wimper. The Government of Austraila cut these arms up for scrap. There were no Crocodile Dundees at that party.:uhoh:
  7. jack404

    jack404 New Member

    Apr 7, 2009
    G'day Kid , if i may

    there where lots of dundee's as you call em , Patriots is what the rest of reality uses , from ranging from your own "professor wonderful" from disney , moved to Oz in the late 70's , was my teacher in physics here

    when the gun grabber came at 4 am he refused , and was carted away , 9 days later they charged his wife and kids as accessories so he handed it over

    good mate of mine Rodney Ansell , ( he's the guy in real life they based Croc dundee's character on , fact , google it ) shot once in the back and again in the side by police , we had hundreds of thousands in the streets here

    260,000 folks made criminal , maybe 15,000 locked up , 15 year olds who found a air rifle and traded it for a bike , busted weapons dealing , 5 years

    when they lock up your kids dont you dare give in eh ..

    since then we've been fighting back , warrentless search and seazures ended a recent win see no licence or registration for most BP weapons that predate 1900

    there are now more gun here that when they took em

    we have more shooters rights here in many ways than what i see you all going through

    i shot 90 something deer this year , how'd you do ?

    ( a fair few hundred foxes and roo's as well but thats what i do )

    we've recently gotten shooters ( pretty much anyone who wants ) as feral animal controllers in our national parks

    yes we cant have AK's or AR's , but specialist shooters who cant prove requirments can buy mini 14's and other semi's

    as for hand guns yes they are hard and theres limits , i own my limit

    and a fair few more in the US that i'm working on getting back here too

    the UN gun control cost a lot of good folks their lives , some gunned down on their door steps in front of their family

    most called up to the boss's office at work and arrested by the awaiting cops or pulled over in thick traffic while driving alone

    i was in cambodia when i went down and thankfully got many semi's out with the help of a ex marine mate in FL , who i sold my collection to on agreement i get first offer if he resells ;) i've 1/4 of it back over the years

    you may think aussies are wimps and all that you infer but mate

    its a tough man who can see his wife and kids locked up in the holes we have here for his right to stand on his principles or get shot in the back while talking to the media

    now that the US is looking to adopt all the UN policies and throw our the constitution we'll get to see how you folks all do in the next few years

    and though i'm 55 now i'll get to see it real close as i promised some mates i'd come over and help fight back , save you folks from what went on here

    but you can scale it to US proportions if you wish

    200 millions guns say

    300 million folks

    they dont grab you they grab your family when they go to the store
    say 20 million in fema camps for a few years .. ( we had almost enough gaols here then , you dont ) get you to surrender ,

    make you the bad guy and anyone who may know where you be is a accessory , look how the UN works , it wont be blue helmets it'll be your cops

    it wont be over night , it'll start with buy backs and such then some terrible things will happen and kneee jerk laws you'll have to submit too , then they'll play the AR folks off against the hand gunners and folks will devide to protect their interest shotgunners will be targeted hard as legitimate but threatened if they dont go anti semi auto

    how do i know this ?

    that how it went in the UK and Australia

    Big bold speakers divided opinion and folks stance so they created little self interest groups that could be picked off by the anti gun lobby and government

    sounds like the USA at the moment eh ?


    you got a marxist in charge of the place . lies deception are everyday things to them , to find the truth find what they dodge to answer..

    keep what your founding fathers gave you , and keep it safe , never trade a section of it for anything , you'll lose the lot if you do

    and remember we never had that , we started as a penal colony and if i may remind you of some factual history

    when Australian freemen and convicts both wish to rebel and sent money to the new USA to buy guns ( 15200 USD in gold then ) , you decided not to upset the british some more and kept our funds , told the brits what we had planned and vinegar hill was a flop and all the participants even those only armed with sticks , locked up in chains again for life

    as you where reworking sea routes and whaling was way more important to the US economy that a colony of slaves of the british , brits offered you berthing in fremantle and melborne in Australia , while they ran the joint , so thats the way the deal went

    we dont hold grudges and have with the USA the world longest and continuous military agreement in the world

    if we're such wimps , why do you always call upon us to help and why do we always rock up ?

    cheers folks
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2012
  8. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Participating Member

    Apr 8, 2005
    Moses Lake WA
    Thanks Jack. The truth will always out.

  9. jack404

    jack404 New Member

    Apr 7, 2009
    i'll add why was not this reported ?

    i ask how did two tin pot aussie news papers owned by murdoch and packer get so big so fast ? oh UN funding development loans to help spread free speech in far away places like the USA , how that for a pay off ? now you see the results in the lack of spine in your own media , they are owned and have been for years folks

    and yes that started here and between them murdock and packer own 82% of the US media companies ..

    and they are loyal to the UN ..

    hope you dont have to get used to it like we did .. bloody hard fight back

    next we get our rights to use em back ..

    castle doctrine if you will..

    but thats all UN , and they dont see it our way , so maybe we gotta start thinking getting rid of the UN

    maybe you folks there should too ;)

    Last edited: Dec 6, 2012
  10. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Mentor

    Jan 6, 2011
    Hastings, Michigan
    I met some Aussies in Iraq in '05, and landed in Darwin in '03. The Austrailians are some of the most fantastic folks I have ever had the pleasure to meet. Thanks for the insight on how things went down, well, down under. It gives me some things to consider for the future of gun rights here in the US.

    You Aussies are no wimps. You guys are some if the toughest SOB's on the planet. And kind enough to give a thirsty GI a beer from their daily rations.
  11. newbuckeye

    newbuckeye Member

    Mar 9, 2011
    Jack, there are a lot of us in the US that see the history of Australia and the UK, and see it becoming a reality here. Some talk of pushing back using civil disobedience all the way to civil war to prevent us from becoming the "next" in line. I agree with you, it will be just like the other things they have gotten past us. A little bit at a time, and knee jerk reactions to a few really bad, bloody incidents. We've had a few...Waco, Ruby Ridge.....where the govt got heavy handed enforcing "the law"
  12. Vizsla

    Vizsla New Member

    Feb 11, 2012
    Ottawa, ON
    No, you can't carry a gun for protection in the UK. To be fair though, the whole UK has fewer murders than Chicago or Detroit.

    The only reason you can give to own a handgun is for humane dispatch of injured animals (no, burglars don't count), but as a rule you have to be in a career that warrants this i.e, professional deerstalker, gamekeeper or veterinary surgeon. I know a few people with pistols, but they tend to keep pretty quiet about it.

    Cap and ball revolvers and muzzleloading pistols can be owned if you hold a FAC (firearms certificate- gun licence) and are very popular for recreational shooting.
  13. Scrumbag

    Scrumbag Member

    Dec 10, 2011
    London, UK
    Originally coming from the UK and owning shotguns over there perhaps I can shed some light on things:

    Thing I last read was that there are ~3,000 legally held handguns in the UK

    You can get a certificate for a handgun basically for the following (This applies to England, Scotland and Wales. NI you can still legally own a gun for recreational use and NI has a different firearms set up to the rest of the UK).

    Some private security (These guys tend to be ex-military)
    Personal protection (This tends to be former military or civil servants, often who had things to do with Northern Ireland)
    Humane dispatch - For those who do a lot hunting (often professional guides) or slaughtermen (often have restricted capacity)

    In all cases you need to convince the police that you have good reason to own it before they issue a certificate.

    Kind regards,

  14. Midwest

    Midwest Senior Member

    Sep 13, 2011
    Jack, can you dispel a rumor. I have heard that some U.S. troops were involved with the confiscations of firearms in Australia. Was it true or not.
  15. thump_rrr

    thump_rrr Active Member

    Nov 7, 2010
    The North Country
    The only chance you have in Canada to carry is a wilderness carry permit.
    This is mostly issued to trappers and loggers who are working in the wilderness and may encounter bears or other predators.
    They are typically large caliber revolvers.
    The license only permits you to carry in the prescribed environment while working.
    When you are in your vehicle or outside the perscribed wilderness area the gun must be trigger locked and locked in an opaque container.
    You will also be given a permit to transport from your wildermess area to your home.
    This permit doesn't allow you to carry any way you want anywhere you want.
    The offence for not following the rules and regulations will get you a 3 year all expenses paid vacation courtesy of the federal government.

  16. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Oct 22, 2007
    Central PA
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  17. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Oct 22, 2007
    Central PA
    Er, no it doesn't.

    Homicides reported in Detroit in 2011: 173
    Homicides reported in Chicago in 2011: 423
    Homicides reported in England in f.y. 2010/2011: 636

    Hyperbole is fun, but it doesn't help us here.
  18. hq

    hq Active Member

    May 24, 2011
    UK crime statistics have lost much of their relevance to anything since home office ordered police precincts not to publish any data. The official figures are doctored and censored for political purposes.

    I did quite a bit of research on the subject a few years ago, for an article that was later submitted to finnish parliament. In late 90's police precincts were already pressured to omit much of actual homicide data from their statistics and after the home office took monopoly in publishing it, numbers have had very little to do with reality. Their grounds for omitting incidents from official statistics are creative and vague at best - double and triple murders with no suspect and no conviction = not a homicide, collateral death by stray bullets during a drive-by shooting = not a homicide. The list is endless.

    British officials are lying through their teeth to prove that their half-a$$ed legislative "solutions" to prevent crime work.

    Curiously, CCW was legalized in Estonia a few years ago and that's one of the very few european countries where crime rate has been in constant decline ever since.
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2012
  19. bobbo

    bobbo Member.

    Apr 11, 2010
    Upstate NY
    Sorry, Sam, but flat murder numbers show nothing (as the population of Detroit is 713,000, and the U.K. is 62 million). You need to look at population.

    U.K. murder rate per 100,000 people: 1.2
    U.S. murder rate: 4.2

    Detroit: 34.5 (4th in nation)
    Chicago: 15.2 (18th in the nation).

    Yeah, you're far more likely to get murdered in Detroit or Chicago (or virtually any city with more than 200,000 people in the U.S.) than in the U.K.

    HQ: do you have any sources to back that up? Nationwide fraud is a serious allegation.
  20. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf member

    Jan 16, 2012
    Wet Oregon
    Maybe re-read post #17.

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