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Unfair association with guns

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Charleo0192, May 19, 2011.

  1. Charleo0192

    Charleo0192 New Member

    Jul 9, 2010
    I was having a chat with a friend of mine about going to the range. He had never been but I asked of he'd be interested in going sometime. He said sure and asked what kind of guns I had. I got through the "traditional" rifles when I got to my ar-15. This was "un-traditional" to him.

    Now there are differences between an ar-15 and that of a Remington 700, but they are both still guns. Each are used in war, but both earn different

    I realize the media has a part in this as guns similar to an ar-15 are called "dangerous automatic assault rifles. "sniper" rifles are given a similar image; "silent weapon that could kill from miles away".

    So why is it that I can own a "traditional" rifle without being questioned for owning it, but once I go to the "untraditional" I'm interrogated. If yu ask me they both get a bad portrayal and both are deadly but one seems to get the spotlight (not the good kind).

    This is mainly a discussion as to why certain guns are singled out.
  2. hermannr

    hermannr Active Member

    Jan 23, 2011
    Okanogan Highlans
    I own a 700 that I purchased new in 1964. I love it, and shoot it well.

    Our oldest daughter (who is over 40) has an AR 15, loves it, and shoots it well.

    I own a 90 year old .38 Colt Officers Model. I love it and shoot it well.

    Oldest daughter owns a FiveseveN...and shoots it well.

    different strokes for different folks, even within the same family.

    Probably the real difference is, I like Her weapons, too...she does not like mine. (they kick too much)
  3. rocky branch

    rocky branch Member

    Apr 11, 2009
    Part of the arsenal of the antis is "military style." Equals no justification for civilian ownership.

    It helps them and potential allies in part to justify their fuzzy logic.

    Even some NRA backers and sportsmen have supported this thinking.
  4. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer member

    Apr 10, 2010
    Kodiak, AK
    Dat's one of dem assault rifles!
  5. ShroomFish

    ShroomFish New Member

    Mar 12, 2011
    I deal with the same thing with my grandfather....

    Me: AR-15
    Him: M1 Carbine

    Me: Mossberg 500
    Him: Iver Johnson

    Etc etc

    He has the old, I have the new... Now I do have a lot of old guns also and I love his old guns, but he don't like my new ones...

    Each to his own I guess..
  6. henschman

    henschman Senior Member

    Nov 13, 2010
    Oklahoma City
    Something like a Remington 700, with its traditional wood stock, might as well be a flintlock musket to somebody who doesn't know anything about guns. The AR on the other hand is high tech and mean looking (even though its design is 50-some years old).

    The Remington may have a longer maximum effective range, better accuracy, better penetration, more ability to defeat body armor, and could be at least as effective of a killing machine in the right hands, but it just isn't as scary looking.

    Plus like others have said, the AR looks like a military rifle (even though it's not), and the Remington doesn't (even though it is).

    You have to look at things from the perspective of a total noob. When I didn't know anything about guns, I figured AKs and ARs must be the most bad ass because the look the most bad ass, and similar variants are used by militaries.
  7. jiminhobesound

    jiminhobesound Member

    Jan 8, 2011
    I agree with the unfair press association of military style weapons being the problem. I do not hink I would ever try to relate the fun of shooting a military style gun to a non gunner. To me the fun part of shooting nonhunting guns can be categorized into, target shooting. rapid fire and shooting big booming kicking guns. Target shooting may be the best way to introduce folks to shooting.
  8. klutchless

    klutchless Member

    Feb 21, 2011
    London , Ohio
    And the old mausers and enfield that have actually killed somebody sit quietly in the corner.
  9. Mule

    Mule New Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Franklin County Missouri, USA
    Every family around here has their "Civil War" rifle. So.....

    is a three band Enfield evil?

    is a trapdoor Springfield evil?

    is a 03A3 evil?

    is a Garand evil?

    What makes that black rifle evil?

    The Second Amendment doesn't say a darn thing about "sporting purpose".

    Them that don't like it better stock up on Depends.:cuss:
  10. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Mentor

    Nov 30, 2008
    Frozen North
    Just make them explain WHY
    WHY don't they like it, most won't have a reason and try to tell you it's

    They you ask why the insist on 'Humanize' the gun by assigning an impossible attribute to it.
  11. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    May 27, 2007
    I prefer the term modern rifles.

    HGUNHNTR Senior Member

    Nov 17, 2006
    Its just human nature to make associations.

    Owen, I wouldn't call a car designed in the 60's modern...so why a gun?. JK dude, I hear ya. :p
  13. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Mentor

    Feb 23, 2006
    Just think, in 50 years guys on the high road will be asking the same questions with different rifles..."He's fine with my old traditional rifles like my AR-15, AK-47, or P90, but as soon as I mention my phased plasma rifles he gets all bent outta shape and doesn't see the need for something with a 40-watt range"

  14. relentlessknives.com

    relentlessknives.com New Member

    Jul 11, 2006
    Well: I don't think it's the gun it's self that is being singled out.
    I believe the gun in that configuration is the easiest target for those who would have
    the American public disarm them selves.....way easier than dis arming them.
    Your friend is 1/2 way there.

    For instance......we need to get those evil guns off the streets.
    Nothing new here, the tactic has been used throughout history to dis arm a populace, and, then destroy them.
    Seem a bit harsh. Well yes because it is harsh, and so is human nature.

    How often do you see tigers eating other tigers, or wolves eating other wolves.
    Nope it just doesn't happen.....yet, both of the above eat all kinds of weaker creatures.
    Why....because it's quick easy and fun rather than a great risk to their own health and safety.

    The politically correct attitude is a fallacy that has been perpetrated by rather cowardly
    people with criminal intent and long range plans.

    For example.....England......supposedly a free country.

    During WWll when they were attacked and as a result, the USA was nice enough to drop large amounts of personal firearms
    via air into the country so that the people could defend themselves.
    Why....because they had been disarmed.....supposedly by their own volition....but really.
    The country was ruled by often viscous monarchs for a thousand years until the Magna Carta.
    The Magna Carta was imposed on the Monarchs by force of arms taken up by the rank and file demanding freedom.
    The crafty monarchs agreed.......yet today......weapons are extremely hard to get and their use is highly restricted.
    There are cameras watching all these free men's every move....and, check out some of their knife forums....the word "Combat knife" is un allowed......the owners of knives and swords live in fear that their possessions will be confiscated.

    So yeah......who is kidding who. Your AR15 is a weapon, and you should have it to protect your self.

    When the founders of the USA started this country, they were armed with the most modern weapons of the day,
    and took steps to insure the the right of the people to keep and bear arms should not be infringed.

    Define "Infringe".....it's mostly employed by stealth.

    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. By: William Pitt

    So when your friend dislikes your AR15....let him know that YES it is a modern weapon, and great equalizer designed to do damage to human beings. It is safely in your hands to protect you both from predatory human beings.
    And, if he doubts the need for such things, invite him to a tour of places on earth where people with ill intent through the use of arms, have decided that life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a privilege under their exclusive control and afforded to only those who do the will of the armed.

    Of course it has other uses, like target shooting, and hunting, and is not all that different from a sharp stick under the correct circumstances.

    Check this movie. It is a real good illistration
  15. armoredman

    armoredman Elder

    Nov 19, 2003
    proud to be in AZ

    And they shoot the exact same caliber...
  16. 12131

    12131 Participating Member

    Dec 22, 2007
    God's Country (TEXAS)
  17. Heretic

    Heretic Member

    May 3, 2011
    Just explain to them that you've taken your "evil" black rifle to a priest to have it exorcised, and it's not "evil" anymore. That, or you could say "I'm not a racist, I don't care what color my rifle is."
  18. leadcounsel

    leadcounsel member

    Jun 5, 2006
    Tacoma, WA
    It's actually a clever "divide and conquer" tactic of slowly eroding gun rights, from the least common to the most common. In the 1990s, the gun community was asleep at the wheel when those "uncommon assault rifles" were banned. Who needed a bayonet lug, anyway? NObody but up much a fuss. Now we are wiser.
  19. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Mentor

    Sep 15, 2007
    The Mid-South.
    Maybe most owners' Enfields sit in the corner for months on end.
    One of my Enfield "Jungle Carbine"s went out today.

    These types helped to defeat an evil empire, and being bolt-action, they are not evil, like ARs :evil:etc.
  20. 1911Tuner

    1911Tuner Moderator Emeritus

    May 22, 2003
    Lexington,North Carolina...or thereabouts
    The mindset is more prevalent than you think.

    As we move further and further from our rural roots, the more we think like people of the the European nations. The British, for example, can't understand our "Gun Culture" any more than we can understand their almost sheep-like acceptance of subjugation because they're so far removed from the days that they had a similar culture.

    Case in point:

    My brother in-law. Career Navy vet...West Virginia born and raised until age 12...avid deer hunter...raised by a father who believes strongly in RKBA...was mortified when he discovered that I keep a pistol on my person or close at hand, even at home. When I say that he was visibly shaken when he saw me remove it and place it on top of the refrigerator before we all settled down for a rousing night of Gin Rummy...I'm not exaggerating. His eyes were actually wide with fear. Up to that point, I'd spent very little time in his company because when he left the Navy, he lived in the Charleston/Goose Creek area for many years before relocating to NC.

    He said that it just seemed "wrong" to him for anybody to be armed without a defined reason. When I asked him why he felt that it was inherently wrong, he didn't have a plausible answer...other than:

    I don't know. It just doesn't seem right to me for anybody to carry a pistol unless they're a cop."

    So, yeah. It's there.

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