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UPS and "adult signature required" Items

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Bezoar, Apr 30, 2007.

  1. Bezoar

    Bezoar member

    Apr 9, 2006
    How many of the users on THR have actually had to sign for a bp firearm, ammo, reloading components needing an adult signature for delivery?

    The only times I have had to sign for a UPS package were to recieve shipment of vital medicine for a family member. Thats good, dont want it being left out in the heatwaves of july to get ruined.

    But oddly enough, i never had to sign for the 2 bp rifles that came through ups, nor for the pound of pyrodex and caps.

    And oddly enough, the "super dangerous to the USPS, loaded centerfire and rimfire ammunition" is typically left by the front door without the driver making attempt to contact a person in the house. In fact one time i almost hurt myself when i tripped on a box of ammo that the driver left UNDER the door immediately on the first step.

    IS this normal? or is it a sign of scared drivers?
  2. Jorg Nysgerrig

    Jorg Nysgerrig Member

    Apr 13, 2006
    Um, what would they be scared of? The drivers just do what they are told to do. If their little computer tells them it requires a signature, they get one. If it doesn't, they don't.
  3. bpisler

    bpisler Participating Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    I've had ammo left by my front door by ups
    that had the "adult signature required"
    sticker on the package,didn't seem to
    make much of a difference to the driver.
  4. redneck2

    redneck2 Mentor

    Dec 25, 2002
    Northern Indiana
    OK...so it requires a signature, but there's no one there. Is the driver supposed to sit and wait until 6 pm until you get home??

    He's got hundreds or thousands of packages to deliver. His world doesn't revolve around one little box. He's trying to save you from having to drive to the UPS center, and trying to get the stuff delivered. Whatever is on the truck is supposed to be delivered that day.

    I talked to a driver one time about all the problems they have delivering stuff. He had one customer that was REALLY difficult to find. Turns out the guy had moved, but took his old mailbox and installed it at the new address so he wouldn't have to get his mail forwarded..:rolleyes:
  5. KaiserBen

    KaiserBen New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Raleigh, NC
    At one point, I had two Mosins left on my porch along with ~2k rounds of ammo. I had a nice chat with the UPS district supervisor about that particular incident.
  6. Jubjub

    Jubjub Active Member

    Sep 10, 2004
    At my house UPS always leaves ammo deliveries on the porch. The only time they insisted on an adult signature was when delivering wine.
  7. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    Dec 24, 2002
    Forestburg, Texas
    Guys, I think you are missing a significant point on this UPS matter. That is, it isn't UPS' regulation to require a signature except on a limited number of things like overnight and signature required deliveries. They require pistols to be shipped in that manner.

    The signature required on ammo, BP rifles, etc. is done at the paid request of the person shipping the items. This makes it NOT UPS' fault

    This seems to be the exact opposite problem several people blame UPS on regarding ammo not shipped with a signature required, sometimes other items. Every so often people will complain how ammo or a holster is just "left on the porch where anyone could steal it." Most often I have seem complains because of ammo shipments from Ammoman. Their shipping policy states specifically (or did) that the ammo is shipped per that price to the customer's door. It says nothing about requiring a signature or hiding the ammo from view such that nobody will steal it. If you want a to be sure the item is delivered to you, then you need to pay extra to have the seller sign "signature required."

    Don't blame UPS or the drivers on these things. Talk to the seller. Ask how the item is being shipped such that you will prepare accordingly on your end.
  8. tbtrout

    tbtrout Participating Member

    Oct 14, 2006
    New Jersey
    I was surprised to learn that UPS does not require a signature for ammo. I had ordered a few thousand rounds a while back, kept checking the tracking number and after a few days it said delivered. I did not have it so I called UPS and they said it was left at the side door.Long to short, the company I ordered it from used an old address of mine and dropped it off. When I asked the UPS CSR about the signature she said it is only required for powder and primers. Add brass and a bullet, no signature.
  9. possum

    possum Mentor

    Oct 12, 2005
    Concord, N.C.
    i have never had to sign for ammo, but i did sign for my xd when it was returned to me. even if they leave it out on the front step i normally know when something is being shipped and i am already looking for it to arrive so if it stays on the front step it isn't for very long.
  10. tinygnat219

    tinygnat219 Senior Member

    Nov 3, 2006
    The Land of Northern Hospitality and Southern Effi
    I have found that it depends on the company you buy from. Some do the "Adult signature required" so they can safely state that they only sell to adults. I HATE this as it's another 3-4 bucks for the signature. I tend to order from AIM Surplus, or other sites like them b/c they don't have it and they ship pretty much the same day.
  11. hotpig

    hotpig Active Member

    Aug 13, 2005
    SW Illinois St Louis metro east
    I never ship ammo signature required because most people can not miss work to wait for UPS. If a customer requests it I will do it though.
  12. Aguila Blanca

    Aguila Blanca Participating Member

    Sep 1, 2006
    Actually, it is UPS policy that any package left at an address is to be concealed from view. The last three UPS drivers who had my route managed to do this just fine, leaving the packages in the breezeway between the detached garage and the main house -- which also happened to be at the door we use, so we always found the packages when we came home.

    The current moron, however, seems to think it's better to leave packages on the front doorstep, where they can be seen from the street. We never use the front door. This idiot has walked to the front door through 6 inches of unshoveled snow to leave a package, rather than just follow the shoveled trail to the side door. Not only a violation of company policy, but also proof positive that UPS must be fulfilling a hiring quota on mentally challenged employees.
  13. AntiqueCollector

    AntiqueCollector Active Member

    Mar 13, 2007
    I hate "signature required" packages. Seems I'm never around when they show up, so I avoid them.
  14. thexrayboy

    thexrayboy Participating Member

    Sep 3, 2006
    northern nevada
    I have had UPS deliver countless packages and thousands upon thousands of rounds of ammo. Virtually all of the items had a "signature required" sticker yet I have had to sign maybe a half dozen times in all those years.
    Why is that? Not sure. If UPS has a policy requiring a signature for items so marked apparently they have no formal enforcement mechanism to insure employee compliance. All the P&P magic in the world is useless if the employees of an organization know that there is no meaningfull penalty for failure to perform. I fight that battle on a daily basis in terms of clinical staff violating P&P designed to insure accurate and safe patient care. I have written up literally hundreds of reports documenting unsafe acts yet have never ever seen a nurse etc. get fired, suspended, demoted or transferred....ever. UPS may work the same way.

    I have also had items shipped and left that were signature required and after checking the online tracking found that the signature had been forged. I wasn't home to sign for it but my name was scrawled on the edocument big as day. I even have seen the name "f. rontdoor" used as a signature. My belief is that money and profit are the factors. As long as customers don't make too many waves, as long as the claims for damaged or stolen items stays below a threshold risk level, as long as no one sues....no one at UPS etc really cares. The drivers make more money if they deliver more packages, so does UPS. Until something interferes with that recipe its business as usual.

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