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Utah sheriffs warn Obama they'll die to defend Second Amendment

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by PRM, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. PRM

    PRM Well-Known Member

    My short list of retirement states just went up by 1.

    The Utah Sheriffs' Association has issued fightin' words to President Obama. In a stern letter, the organization hints they would go to war against the federal government in the event their citizens are denied their right to bear arms against criminals and "tyrannical subjugation." The organization urges the government to "make no mistake … we will enforce the rights to our citizens guaranteed by the Constitution." In conclusion, the letter states: "We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation."

    Last edited: Jan 24, 2013
  2. dfsixstring

    dfsixstring Well-Known Member

    On a side note, this article you linked had a related article asking if it was possible that the US would ever plunge into another civil war. I hate the thought of it, but it is a reasonable question. As a southerner, it frustrates me when people say the CW was over slavery. It was all about the over reach of the federal government against the "sovereignty" of the states. The south has a smaller voice in the US government and felt like it was losing what little it had. I don't want to get into a "slavery" discussion, just asking if others believe a second CW is possible.

    As a secondary question, if a second CW is possible, how would that endanger us against potential invasion by our growing number of enemies in the world? To me, this would be a disaster on so many levels.


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  3. herkyguy

    herkyguy Well-Known Member

    Not sure it's THR related, but I share you thoughts that a collapse of our government would be an absolute disaster. The world was a different place in the nineteenth century. I don't believe we'd survive as a nation.

    Be ready for this thread to close if it goes down this road.

    There is a difference between what is law and what is constitutional.

    That's why we have the supreme court. The Sheriffs are correct in defending the Constitution, but what happens if the supreme court upholds something that we all believe is a violation of the 2A.

    We are then outlaws.

    Best thing we can do is to continue to make our voices heard. I am delighted to see that some in LE are standing up for the Constitution. It is NOT a living document. It was written the way it was by design. The founding fathers wrote the 1st amendment and then started scratching their heads thinking to themselves... "how do we protect this?" and someone in the back called out "protect our guns and we'll protect the rest of the amendments."

  4. robert garner

    robert garner Well-Known Member

    There are worse things to be than an outlaw,William Wallace was an outlaw as was Robert the Bruce. Neville Chamberlain is no shining example of manhood in the face of travails,absolutely nothing to emulate in the preservation of liberty.
    I extend the courtesy of picking your course of action,for myself P. Henry knew how to distinguish liberty from slavery.
    Should our distinguished Supreme Court side with a law patently unconstitutional, against the 2d amm.,then do as A.Jackson did and "Let them enforce it."
  5. CLP

    CLP Well-Known Member

    I've written a bunch of letters in the past month telling our representatives where I stand on the 2nd Amendment. I wrote the director of the Utah Sheriff's Assoc thanking them for taking a stand. I'm going to start doing that regularly now every time I see such a person or organization speaking out on our behalf.
  6. xXxplosive

    xXxplosive Well-Known Member

    All we're asking them to do is to uphold the Oath they are sworn too........Uphold and Defend the US Constitution.......that's it........Sheriff's...+1.
  7. gym

    gym member

    I just put Utah on my list of possible places to move to
  8. Steve H

    Steve H Well-Known Member

    I'm glad it moved here....

    A couple of days ago the Utah news was reporting about the letter from the Utah Sheriffs Assoc., they were claiming that it was written but not sent to Obalama. Does anybody know if it was finally sent?

    BADUNAME30 Well-Known Member

    This is indeed very encouraging to see but i find myself asking myself if they would actualy live up to thier claim.
    Aside from not enforcing any unconstitutional laws, what would they actualy do ?
    If an order of confiscation came to be, would they do so or refuse ?
    What would happen if they refused ?
    Could the Military be called in to do the confiscation and if so, would this Sherriff's dept. physiclay go against them to protect thier citizens ?
    I just don't understand how any of this wold actualy play out.

    I would like to see that actual letter.
  10. Pointshoot

    Pointshoot Well-Known Member

    This is very good news. There are increasing numbers of county sheriffs who are doing this.


    Please check out the Constitutional Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association(referred to in link above). These men & women defending our Liberty deserve our support.
  11. brnmw

    brnmw Well-Known Member

    In real life anything is possible..... just pray it never happens. The 1st CW was bad enough, something "We The People" in our right minds would not want to ever see happen again.
  12. Prophet

    Prophet Well-Known Member

    We contacted our sheriff and he is in our corner. He even wants to sit down and meet with us personally to discuss the issue at length. Don't discount contacting your sheriffs, guys. They need your support. It doesn't seem quite right to me that their vital role in local government has been largely appropriated by the police depts.
  13. TNBilly

    TNBilly Well-Known Member

    Thank you Mr. Garner!

    Unfortunately I don't expect many TN sheriffs stepping up publicly. Much if not most of the time there's nothing to our benefit behind the facade.
  14. G.barnes

    G.barnes Well-Known Member

    I think if we all stood together that the majority of police and military would stand by us. After all they are only exempt until they leave their jobs and become a civilian. Plus that would mean that their families were among those that they're fighting against. There will always be some that will follow orders. Anyone I've talked to with real combat time (Vietnam doesn't count because a lot of people were drafted and would not have joined and fought otherwise) is for or rights of guns, probably because after seeing how violence really works they realize that if you took away guns sick people just like the taliban will still find a way to create chaos, terror, and death.
  15. MrTwigg

    MrTwigg Well-Known Member

    The fact that some "are willing to die" also indicates some are willing to kill.

    I sure hope the .gov blinks first.
  16. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    I don't like warm weather. Can a northern state say this as well?
  17. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    Just wrote my sheriff asking if we'll be on that list. I have no doubt he's on our side, but I'd like to see it declared publicly.
  18. dfsixstring

    dfsixstring Well-Known Member

    It was not my intent to violate policy. I just found the side article interesting.

  19. RockyMtnTactical

    RockyMtnTactical Well-Known Member

    Glad to see there are some groups out there willing to stand up for freedom.
  20. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    The important thing about this is, many people believe that if the government oversteps their bounds, and war does break out, it will be a small rebellion easily quashed by the police (and if they fail, surely our military will prevail). They fail to realize that police and military swore to uphold the constitution, and most would be on our side.

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