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Varmint Grenade

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by d37fan, May 27, 2010.

  1. d37fan

    d37fan Member

    How are these for accuracy out at longer distances? I will be loading for the .204, just curious before I spend the time and funds working up a load for them.
    Thanks, Dale.
  2. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    A friend is using those bullets in his 22-250 and he tells me they are no less accurate than other bullets he's used. They are a little more expensive though.. lol

    As for longer distances, I don't think they will be any more or less accurate than any other bullet within the proper usage of your chosen caliber. They won't increase the reach of any caliber from what I've read.
  3. d37fan

    d37fan Member

    I was afraid that with being lighter that they might drop off quicker.
    Thanks, Dale.
  4. acoop101

    acoop101 Member

    I don't have any experience with this particular bullet but I have turned solids on a lathe. That said they seem to show about the same drop as lead cored bullets of the same size.
  5. Franco

    Franco Well-Known Member

    I've loaded these for my father's 223 and he drops woodchucks at 300 yds routinely. Not a scientific answer, I know, but just practical experience.
  6. fireman 9731

    fireman 9731 Well-Known Member

    The 36gr ones are quite accurate in my 22-250. I haven't shot them out past 300 yards yet but I would imagine at longer ranges they may drop off a little faster and be affected by wind more...
  7. Rokman

    Rokman Well-Known Member

    I haven't tried them due to their price, but in .204, the should definately blow up like a genade. Please get a box and give us a review.

    BADUNAME37 Well-Known Member

    Where those would work exeptionally well would be at longer distances on small woodchuck/prairie-dog size critters, where a bit less velocity will not hamper the bullet's design to open up well when hitting the beast.

    In other words, long shots are going to be effective - even when the bullet may be moving anywhere from 25% to possibly 35% slower than the muzzle velocity.

    I wouldn't use a bullet that is too frangible on impact when shooting larger animals like coyotes as they tend to take a chunk out of the flesh that is a lot more like a major surface wound. I have taken a few coyotes at fairly close range using 50g Speer TNT's moving right along at 3,995 FPS from my 22-250 over a chronograph. I have never had a bullet just fly apart and have shot this load combination over 500 times (even though they state that the bullet may fly apart from centrifugal force if driven beyond a certain speed). I guess this is one of those "other user's mileage may vary" scenarios - where mine certainly seem to vary - from what would seem to be the 'norm' - as for bullets not reaching their intended targets.

    This is maximum load using IMR 4064 (blue label) powder with BR2 Primers - which the gun LOVES. I can shoot off a bench and pull a 1/4" group at 200 yards! That is correct - .25" group (smaller than a dime) at 200 (two hundred) yards. I mentioned this once before and got drilled like I was lying or something. Nope, that is the TRUTH - like it or not!

    A shot directly behind the right leg into the right chest wall (through ribs) at 40 feet away and the coyote turned to run away from me, and sort of slowly limped - hopping about 50' around and away in a semi-circle, from me before fully collapsing and not moving one bit once it hit the ground. The bullet essentially made a 4" diameter opening large enough for me to place a clenched fist just where his heart would have been before the shot - in other words, a 4" diameter crater that was about 4" deep.

    It appeared that his heart had been literally removed out through the large crater along with the blast of the bullet's shrapnel essentially making a full 180 degree turn - from going inwardly to going outwardly. If you have ever shot a thick steel plate with a fast-moving bullet and observe the crater where the blast is actually directed 180 degrees backwardly, that seems to be what happens when the "exploding" projectile at those speeds hits meat.
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2010
  9. Terpfan41

    Terpfan41 Member

    I bought a box of these bullets for a buddy to try in his .204 Rem 700.........I don't remember the exact weight, but I believe that they are only available in one weight for the .204. Anyhow, he made a variety of different loads using Varget and he was totally dissatisfied with the groupings! He has yet to try other powders at this point, but my advice would be to at least start with something other than Varget.

    Let us know if you find a good combination and I will pass it along for my buddy to try!

    Best of luck!
  10. idahoglock36

    idahoglock36 Well-Known Member

    I tried them and didn't like them. Seemed the slowed way down past 200-250 in the 204. They were like a grenade closer but so is the 32 VMAX which is what I chose to stick with. IMO the VMAX does better past 200 and just as well under. Try them if you want....that is the joy of hand loading. I have nothing really bad to say just didn't see the need to switch from the vmax. I tried them, try a box and see for yourself. I'll stick with the VMAX unless of course there not around then I'll use whatever else I can find including the VG.

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