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Varmint Rifle Advice

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by blazer610, Feb 13, 2008.

  1. blazer610

    blazer610 New Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Alabama Gulf Coast
    I'm am about to begin coyote hunting and have little hunting rifle experience.
    I've always been a bird hunter and my rifle experience is limited to the Ruger 10/22, AR type rifles, and AK type rifles.

    I need to choose a weapon for this new venture, as well as the round it should fire. From my research, I've narrowed the caliber down to .22-250 or .223 REM with local availability being considered.

    Just getting involved in this, I don't want to drop a ton of cash to get started.

    As stated, I have a few AR Type rifles that are A3 flat top variants. Should I mount the appropriate scope and start with one of these? Am I better off with a bolt or single shot?

    Here are some reasonably priced rifles that I am considering. I would appreciate any feedback you might have on them.

    H&R Handi Rifle
    Howa 1500
    Savage 16FHSS
    Remington Model-799 (Mauser Action)
    Stevens Model-200

    Recommendations on reasonably priced scopes that are up to the task?

    I'll be hunting on very flat ground with good visibility across wheat fields, soy beans, peanuts, etc..

    My hunting will be confined to coyotes as they are the only varmints in this area. Any recommendation on bullet weight and type for taking coyotes with .22-250 and .223 REM would be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance,
  2. gunnerh

    gunnerh Member

    Sep 27, 2007
    I like the H&R Handi-rifle in .223 with the medium weight barrel. I try to keep at 1 round for visitors the shoot coyotes or crows round my place. The 22-250's are hotter and little easier to reload. The .223 has less bark the 22-250 but pretty much the same bite. The NEF and H&R are the same metal but with differant options. Some seem not to be able to get them to shot. I have had real good luck with the 5 i've had. The have all shot minute of crows.
  3. stubbicatt

    stubbicatt Senior Member

    Aug 23, 2007
    It is not on your list, but it would be worth considering one of the CZ 527 rifles. I love mine, and have never heard of a CZ not working right.
  4. 1911 guy

    1911 guy Mentor

    May 5, 2005
    Garrettsville, Oh.
    Go with the Stevens .223

    There's nothing wrong with the .22-250, but .223 is less expensive by a good bit.

    I wouldn't feel out of place using a flat top AR with a good scope, as long as it was a standard 20" barrel.

    I've got a Stevens model 200, picked it up new for less than $300, slapped some glass on it and it shoots minute of groundhog with Winchester factory ammo. I'll work up a load for it with heavier bullets when the weather warms up to take advantage of the 1:9 twist. Frankly, I'd recommend either a Savage or Stevens (just a Savage with no accutrigger) for nearly anything unless there's a specific need that's met by another rifle manufacturer. Inexpensive and well known for accuracy. Triggers are user adjustable, even old style. If you don't like the stock, buy an aftermarket and you're still less than most other rifles.
  5. 3pairs12

    3pairs12 Participating Member

    Nov 20, 2007
    Use your black gun with a good piece of glass. If you decided later that you need something else then get it.
  6. 04JRB

    04JRB New Member

    Dec 27, 2007
    Livonia, Michigan
    savage model 12fv in .223.

    .223 will be easier on your wallet and my savage 12fv is the most fun gun I have to take to the range. It is very very accurate, just not pretty to look at. I also only paid $400 for it new about a year ago.

    Good luck on your search for a varmint rifle, many to choose from.
  7. skinewmexico

    skinewmexico Senior Member

    May 22, 2006
    West Texas
    Use your AR if you have one. Anything works. This idea that you need specific equipment to coyotes is a marketing concept, not a funtional one.
  8. BsChoy

    BsChoy Participating Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Upstate NY
    I would use your AR's but, if you really NEED a new one who am I to argue...The Stevens in 223 is a great gun...I own one and it is hunting accurate to at least 200 yds if not more.
  9. Sunray

    Sunray Elder

    May 17, 2003
    London, Ont.
    "...recommendation on bullet weight and type..." A lot depends on if you plan on keeping the hides or not. Using either cartridge. Typical varmint bullets will blow big holes in the hides. Commercial FMJ's won't. These are not the same thing as a military ball bullet. The jackets are thinner.
    The rifling twist in the rifle you end up using will determine the best bullet weight. Fast twists will stabilize heavier bullets(60 grains and up) better. Not that you need a heavy bullet for Wiley.
  10. 1911NM

    1911NM Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    Northern NM
    I believe the OP is in Florida from the signature, so it would seem a hide (except for a snazzy rug in the house) wouldn't be an issue as not enough winter to create a good pelt. If you are calling 'oties, what you have with a decent piece of glass would be fine for a starter. If you are wanting a new bolt gun, I recently purchased a Sako/Tikka T3 lite in 22-250 for the same purpose, and am very very pleased, both with upfront price, less than 500.00, and accuracy. Minute of prairie dog. Also the T3 has an adjustable trigger not requiring take down to adjust. Very snazzy. Just about any 50 or 55 g HP ought to anchor a poor old coyote, just have to decide on your gun, and see what shoots best in it.
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2008
  11. Twud

    Twud New Member

    Sep 27, 2007
  12. ALS

    ALS Member

    Sep 15, 2004
    You could go a couple different ways on this.
    AR-15 and I agree 20 or 24 inch barrel with the flat top. I would also get a barrel float tube (Free floats the barrel) and a good aftermarket trigger. Should get you .75 MOA or better with quality ammunition.

    Or you could go with a good bolt action like a Remington or Savage Varmint set up. I have a Remington VSSF in .308 and it is a tack driver. I bought it after a write up in the Rifleman (NRA) magazine with a .223 version. After seeing the sub MOA groups they were putting up I just had to have one.

    If you shooting 350 yards or less a .223 should be enough round for the job.
    If your going out to 400 or more yards I'd look at the 22-250.

    Once you get addicted to the accuracy of a good bolt action you will never look at your AR's the same way. :evil:
  13. bogie

    bogie Mentor

    Jan 2, 2003
    St. Louis, in the Don't Show Me state
    I'll differ here...

    Get a .22-250 over a .223. You can always handload the .22-250 to .223 velocities.

    You can also handload a .223 to .22-250 velocities. Once.

    Or, conversely, consider a .222 or a .22 PPC.

    For that matter, a 6PPC, shooting a .243 68 grain bullet at 3,000fps or so is dandy coyote or prairie dog medicine.

    Give Bob White at Shooter's Corner a call. He sells mostly used rifle. Used ACCURIZED rifles. Rifles that will shoot better than anything most of you guys have ever picked up. And yeah, some of those triggers _are_ two OUNCE triggers.


    B89. 6BR 40X Rem HV, 6BR sleeved 40X action, Lilja bbl w/factory nk c.7-850 rnds, wood pillar glassbedded stock by Hart, Hart 2oz trig, Hart scope mounts, Gunsmith: unknown, VG cond O/A. Good shooter in a desirable caliber, $995.

    B90. 6PPC Heavy Varmint, Rem 40X action w/custom extractor; Hart bbl 25” w/.265 nk c.6-800 rnds; Six f-glass glue-in & bolt-in stock w/pistol gripless style w/new paint; Hart 2oz trig; Weaver scope mnts; Gunsmith: N.B. Waltz; VG to Exc cond. A good beginner piece requiring minimal case neck turning at a bargain price, $949.

    B91. 6PPC Rem XP-100 HV, 1 Hart bbl w/2600 rnds, 1 Shilen bbl w/<800 rnds both w/.262 nk, McMillan f-glass glue-in stock, Jewell 2oz trig, Millet scope mnts. Gunsmith: Jim Meyer, Exc to VG cond. Bolt has Ruger bolt handle & Sako ext. Shoots .1 & .2 @ 100 yds; .3 to .5 @ 200. $925.

    B92. 6PPC LV R/R partially trued Rem 700, Shilen bbl w/.262 nk <500 rnds, Bruno pattern f-glass glue-in stock, Jewell 2oz trig, Gunsmith: J. Meyer, Exc to VG cond. Exceptional value in a beginner piece. $925.

    B95. 6PPC Heavy Varmint, Rem 700 trued/single shot action w/$500 custom Stolle Bolt, Hart bbl w/.263 nk 1000 rnds, McMillan f-glass glue-in stock, Shilen 2oz trig, Exc. to VG cond. Good entry level rig @ a bargain price, $899.

    B96. 222 Light Varmint, Rem XP-100 R/R action, Hart bbl w/factory nk 4-500 rnds, Brown Prec. f-glass stock w/unique block type bedding, Hart 2oz trig, Gunsmith: CPS, inclu scope mnts, metal-97%/stock-80%. Highly accurate rig for target or varmint. $899.

    �B97. 223 Heavy Varmint, 40X action w/5”X2”X2” Alum sleeve, Hart SS 23”X14T bbl. w/.251 nk c.1100 rnds, CPS Alum skeleton stock, Canjar set rig, w/scope mnt. Highly accurate target or live varmint rig, $899.

    B98. 6PPC Sleeved 700 Rem Light Varmint, R/R, Hart 21½” bbl w/.267 nk c.8-900 rnds, McMillan f-glass stock bolt-in, Canjar 2oz trig, Gunsmith: Hart Rifle Bbl. VG cond. Great beginner or club shooter piece. $899.

    B99. 223 Heavy Varmint R/R Benchmaster action, Hart factory bbl 800 rnds, Six Hart pattern f-glass pillar glassbedded stock, Burns 2oz trig, Kelbly bases plus will accept Unertl type scope, Exc to VG cond. Rare caliber in a BR rig. $898.

    B100.6PPC Heavy Varmint, sleeved/trued Rem 700 action; Hart bbl w/.262 nk <250 rnds; Latino-Borden style f-glass glue-in stock; Canjar 6oz trig; Gunsmith: M. Hollister; VG cond. I’ve seen several <.2 grps from this rig. $875.

    B101. 6X47 Light Varmint, Rem mod 722 action w/black Shilen sculptured sleeve, Dewey SS bbl c.3-500 rnds, Shilen pattern RH TH lam walnut stock, Rem 40X 2oz trig, include Weaver scope bases, Gunsmith: SS&D, 96% cond. Rarely see this quality today – would make a great 204 Ruger w/new bbl, $875.

    B102. 6PPC Heavy Varmint, sleeved Rem 700 action, Hart SS bbl w/.265 nk, <1000 rnds, f-glass BR stock & Canjar 2oz trig, inclu scope mnt, O/A cond c.96%. Great beginner piece, $875.

    �B103.* 6PPC Light Varmint, Rem XP-100 trued action, w/Ruger bolt handle, Sako ext. & Davidson 1pc. scope base, Hart SS bbl w/.263 nk sub 900 rnds, McMillan f-glass stock w/bolt-in bedding, Canjar 2oz trig, Good beginning BR rifle in VG/OA cond. $875.

    B104. 6PPC Light Varmint, Sleeved Rem 700 action w/Sako extractor, Lilja bbl w/.262 nk c.2000 rnds, McMillan f-glass glue-in stock, Jewell 2oz trig, Kelbly scope bases, Gunsmith: Arnold Erhart, Exc-VG cond. Economy beginner or entry level rig. $849.

    B105. 6PPC HV, sleeved 700 Rem action, Rt bolt w/double port; Hart SS bbl w/.262 nk c.750 rnds; f-glass glue-in stock w/new paint & alum buttplate; Canjar c.4oz trig; Stolle type scope rib; Exc-VG. Great beginner piece featuring Stolle type sleeve & good looks. Great buy @ $849.

    B106* 222 Heavy Varmint, Shilen sleeved Rem 722 action, Shilen SS 24 1/2” bbl w/std nk, <700 rnds, Shilen pattern left-handed laminated walnut stock, Canjar lt. wt. trig, Gunsmith: Shilen Rifles. This is a 70’s vintage rig in 95% cond., $849.

    B107* 7X57 BR HV, target class using 7oo Rem action, Douglas SS bbl 22” #7 taper <150 rnds, custom mahogany BR style stock w/split alum bedding block on the bbl, Canjar 14 oz trig, exc cond. An unusual but well engineered piece at a bargain, $799.

    B108. 6PPC Sako LV, PPC benchrest single shot action Hart bbl w/.262 nk 7-800 rnds, Alum I-beam type bolt-in stock w/removable action bedding block, factory 1¼ lb trig, Exc to VG cond. A unique all metal piece (request photos). A great buy @ $749.

    B109. 308 Hunter Class, Rem 700 action, Hart bbl w/.328 nk <500 rnds, H&S Prec. f-glass stock w/pillar glassbedding, Shilen 2oz trig, VG+ cond. An attractively priced very accurate piece, $729.

    V56. 22-250 Rem Var. Spl., factory 24” blued bbl c.7-800 rnds; factory wood pillar glassbedded stock; inclu Leupold 1” scope mnt; factory 2 lb trig; Gunsmith: B. White g-bedding; VG-Exc cond. A good shooting economy varminter. $495.

    V57. 220 Swift Varmint, 98 Mauser action w/custom handle & jeweled bolt; Douglas bbl, bore scoped good; Fajen walnut figured/checkered stock w/glassbedding; single stage aftermarket trig; inclu scope bases for Unertl type scope; VG+ cond. A handsome custom rig priced right. $495. w/carry sling

    V58. Savage Pre-Accu Trigger Mod 12 BVSS cal 22-250 NIB, $479.

    V59. 22-250 Ruger Varmint, Mod. 77 MK II blued action, 26” SS varmint bbl sub 200 rnds, lam Var stock, trig tuned, inclu scope rings, 98-99% O/A, $470.

    V60. 22-250 Ruger, Mod 77; factory varmint 24” bbl c.2-300 rnds; factory wood stock; factory 1½ lb trig; includes Unertl bases; VG cond. An honest original M77 varmint. $449.

    V61. 222 Rem M722, Remington mod 722 action; factory 26” bbl, many rnds, but still grps well; factory wood stock; factory Rem trig c.1lb; inclu: Weaver scope mnts; c.90-92% cond. An all original 1950’s vintage in VG+ condition. $429.
  14. dagger dog

    dagger dog Senior Member

    Jan 30, 2008
    SO. IN
    all the above advice seems good , the rifle suggestions are dead on, the .223 and the 22-250 are coyote busters for sure.

    but you have the chance with your AR lowers to build a custom dog buster. why not go with a 20" heavy bbl with the correct twist for the load you work up in .223 Rem.? for just about the same price as a new rifle you can probably get a trigger job also.

    that rapid follow up shot is a plus also.

    i think but not sure that some uppers can be had in .204 Ruger also if your in to .20 cal. mucho fps here very flat shoter.

    don't go over board on to much XXXXX magnification with your scope. even consider fixed power if you can get a quality piece of glass.

    Burris makes exellent scopes for reasonable money also Bushnell .

    1/2 the fun is putting the rig together!

    hope this is some help

    dagger dog
  15. jjduller1946

    jjduller1946 New Member

    Aug 19, 2006
    Fairfax, VA

    I had a similar question last year. Got some good advice.

    In the end I ended up with a Savage 12BVSS in .223 cal. I mounted a Mueller 8x25x50mm scope with Warne HIGH detachable rings/mounts.


    Total cost including rings and mounts = $988.

    I have had a great time target shooting and varmint hunting with this rig. It shoots better than I do. It is a heavy barreled set up - not for trotting over hill and dale for sure. Worth considering.

    Love the accutrigger on the Savage.

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  16. browningguy

    browningguy Senior Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Houston, TX
    Just speaking personal preference here, don't particularly care to hurt anyones feelings. A coyote ain't a woodchuck.

    I don't like the idea of the 22-250, as fine a cartridge as it is most factory guns have a 1:12 or 1:14 twist in my experience. This is really designed for very light high speed projectiles.

    I have shot coyotes with my 1:9 twist .223 shooting 60 and 64 gr. SP's, works fine for most shooting.

    If I'm going to west Texas where I may well have most of my shots at 300 yards then I prefer the .243 Win (or any of the similar 6mm's). Shooting 85 gr. Sierra GK's it's absolutely deadly on yotes, and also works very well for deer size game. I have used this load on smaller varmints although I often use the 70 Nosler BT. My current gun for this is a Savage 12 FV in .243 with a 6.5-20 Weaver Grand Slam. The only change I'm going to make is to put a Sharpshooters supply stock on it, if it ever ships that is.
  17. dwschoon

    dwschoon New Member

    Sep 22, 2006
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Here's another vote for the Stevens 200. I have one in .223 and it is a tack driver. I would go with the .223 over the 22-250, because the .223 has a 1:9 twist vs. the 1:12 twist of the 22-250. These guns usually get good results with the 60gr hornday v-max, and the 65gr sierra game king. Both are accurate over Varget powder. YMMV of course. I would actually prefer these heavier bullets for more "thump" on coyotes.
  18. Whitman31

    Whitman31 Member

    Jul 2, 2007
    204 Ruger...

    That's all I've got to say...
  19. jpwilly

    jpwilly Senior Member

    Aug 10, 2007
    Phoenix AZ
    Amen and pass the ammunition! The AR is already chambered in 223 and there's no doubt the effectiveness of 223 on varmints and yotes.

  20. RKellogg

    RKellogg Member

    Jun 27, 2006
    New York
    T3 Tikka , .223 or 22-250 ( DOESN'T MATTER ) Nikon scope . Go hunting .

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