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Voting strategy

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Buttermilk, Feb 19, 2008.

  1. Buttermilk

    Buttermilk Well-Known Member

    Those of us who are voting in Ohio and Texas on March 4th, have an opportunity to do some good with our votes this time.
    The Republican candidate has pretty much been chosen for us no matter whether we like it or not. So,,,, that means for our vote to count and accomplish something, we must vote for Obama in the primary and shut down the Clinton political machine before the convention and then vote for McCain in the general election.
    This is legal, in Texas, and a good way to stop Hillary and Bill and protect our liberties and freedoms.
    Politics makes strange bedfellows doesn't it!!
  2. george29

    george29 Well-Known Member

    Hillary hopes you have forgotten. Have you?

    Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her 'record,' which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or 'co-president' - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:

    - As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynahan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize 'anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)

    - Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.'

    - Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn.

    - Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster supposedly committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

    - Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene Confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee in 1996 both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.)

    - In order to open 'slots' in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for 'gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

    ---- Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the 'bimbo eruption squad' and scandal defense:

    ---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit.

    ---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

    ---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.

    ---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury.

    ---- And Bill went on trial for impeachment by the House.

    ---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath).

    - Hillary accepted the traditional First Lady's role of decorator of the White House at Christmas, but in a unique Hillary way. In 1994, for example, The First Lady's Tree in the Blue Room (the focal point each year) was Decorated with drug paraphernalia, sex toys, and pornographic ornaments, all personally approved by Hillary as the invited artists' depictions of the theme, 'The Twelve Days of Christmas.'

    - Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.

    - Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.

    - Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.

    - In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the 'woman card' by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.

    - Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)

    - As the junior Senator from New York , Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.

    - Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.

    Quite a resume, isn't it? Sounds more like an organized crime family...

    Make sure America remembers. Pass this on.
  3. Oana

    Oana Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but the question is: who would win in McCain vs. Obama or McCain vs. Hillary? Many Republicans would do the "Anyone But Hillary" vote if she wins the Democratic primary, but would they feel that way about Obama? And Obama is just about as bad.
  4. patentmike

    patentmike Well-Known Member

    I am voting for Huckabee in the primary because McCain needs to hear the voice of conservatives rather than think that we are just going to shut up and get with his program. Besides, if I vote Dem, doesn't that mean I have to pass on the Republicans vying for local offices?

    In the general election, unless we miraculously get a brokered convention and wind up nominating someone better, I will vote for McCain rather than Communism or Obamunism.

    Link to voter guide
    http://freemarket.org/Img/2008 Texas Primary Voters' Guide4.pdf
  5. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Well-Known Member

    Are you voting for the US House and Senate too?
  6. ilbob

    ilbob Well-Known Member

    I guess it boils down to who is the candidate McCain is more likely to beat.

    Hillary is not well liked, even by her own party insiders. She has to all but hold a gun to their heads to keep them in line, and even then there are defections almost every day. She can run, but she cannot hide forever from her past, and who she is.

    Obama is likable, but no one knows what he really stands for because he is running on personal charisma and not much else. McCain might be able to break through to the average citizen about this and create enough doubt about Obama that he might be beatable. The key would seem to be whether Obama can keep up the sham for 9 more months. he will also be very hard to criticize, for personal failings, or for policy issues due to his ethnicity.

    I think its a tossup as to which is the preferable candidate to try and beat in the fall at this point.

    I hope the republican party does not fall for some consultant telling them to nominate a women or minority for VP. I think that would be seen for what it is. Now if a prominent republican who just happened to be female or minority stepped up to the plate in the natural course of politics, that might work.
  7. patentmike

    patentmike Well-Known Member


    There is also a referenedum on the Republican ballot regarding whether immigration enforcement should be part of the platform. McCain needs to see overwhelming support for that to help him with his recent conversion.
  8. chemist308

    chemist308 Well-Known Member

    This needs to be a chain email. And put that bit about Hillary's records being sealed right up top! Most have forgotten that one, and it speaks volumes to her character.
  9. NGIB

    NGIB Well-Known Member

    Folks, just look at the Draconian gun laws in Illinois and ask yourself if you really want Obama in the White House. I personally feel he is the most dangerous person running as far as 2A issues go. The lets all just get along crowd actually believe that if you take guns away - crime will disappear as well.

    Doesn't matter that it hasn't worked anywhere else as these folks don't use anything resembling logic or common sense. To be honest, the junior senator from Illinois scares me...
  10. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Yes and State House also. In my area I've got 2 candidates that are after a State House seat. Both are Republicans but one is a well known Pro 2A candidate that must be supported and I can't waste my vote playing games.

    If there was nothing else on the ballot I'd probably go vote for Obama for these reasons, but Bill Zedler needs my vote, and he's a highly rated pro 2A candidate.
  11. hank327

    hank327 Well-Known Member

    I'll be voting for Obama this weekend. I want to put an end to Hillary's bid for the Presidency ASAP. The thought of possibly 8 years of her and Bill back in the White House is unbearable. Do y'all realize that if she wins that we will most likely have had 28 consecutive years of Bushes and Clintons as President? That is just too much power for two families to have. March 4th is a very good opportunity to put paid to Hillary's run. I'd rather stop her now than try to do it in November. I'll risk an Obama presidency if I can insure we don't get another Clinton one.
  12. txgolfer45

    txgolfer45 Well-Known Member

    And Hillary says she is ready to step in on day 1?

    I have the same dilemma of who to vote for in the Texas Primary. I'm thinking vote for Obama to get Hillary out and then vote for McCain in the general election.
  13. 3pairs12

    3pairs12 Well-Known Member

    I like the idea and was kicking it around for awhile,but with the loss of 10 states in a row on Hillary's part I think that she is a more desirable opponent. Much of the country has spoken their feelings about Hillary and it is not good. Obama has been riding on a tail wind and I would have to shoot myself in the foot if he were to win in Nov. I am voting Mike Huckabee in primary and probably McCain in general but I would love for that vote to be for Mike also. I watched him speak last night in Plano and there was really a pretty good crowd. He may still have a chance if we were to band together although this would be a border line miracle.
    I still feel that Clinton would be easier to defeat in general election.
  14. sammyspizza

    sammyspizza Well-Known Member

    i think that every conservative should vote for hillary and then mccain in the election. hillary is way less likely to actually get elected. people either love her, or hate her. besides, a lot of liberals would vote for mccain anyway.
  15. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    I'm holding my nose and voting in the Democratic primary. I agree Hillary is the most dangerous of the two. If we can stop her here and now, I think Obama will lose to McCain once people realize he's even more Liberal than Hillary.

    Check the TSRA voters guide http://www.tsrapac.com/?D=11 and vote for the few A rated Democrats if you are in their districts while you are at it.

    Obviously if you are in contested district where a pro 2A candidate needs support do it

    As much as I'd rather be voting for Ron Paul, "sending a message" will look stupid if we don't cut off the head of Hillary when we had the chance!

    An alternate strategy, which I think too complicated and risky to count on succeeding, is to vote for Hillary but not caucus so Hillary wins the vote but Obama wins the caucus and sows divisiveness. I say, knock her out while we have the chance!!!

  16. etex

    etex Well-Known Member

    I live in Texas and I voted today against Clinton for Obama. I will vote Republican in the general election. I believe Obama will be easier to defeat in November and also if he was elected he would not serve more than one term,
    we would probably be stuck with Clinton for 8 years. Now is the time to cause the Clinton debacle.
  17. george29

    george29 Well-Known Member

    I agree with you Tex. The Dems havethe same idea regarding McCain / Huckubie which is why the NY Times has begun its smear campaign against McCain, it will make it easier to fight against Huckubie than McCain. They aint dumb neither boss.
  18. Bowfishrp

    Bowfishrp Well-Known Member

    I can't do it....I will NEVER vote for a Fing democrat as long as I live!

    The liberal that I work with wants obamama and not clinton so which do you think is easier to beat? Personally I think McCain would easily beat hitlery but will lose to obamama simply because he is just like bill clinton was in 1992....he gives nice speeches and doesn't say anything...on purpose. As Rush says liberals can always be beat by the issues. You should have heard the obamama radio commercial this morning! He called lenders EVIL!
  19. MaterDei

    MaterDei Well-Known Member

    I agree that Obama will be easier to beat in November but I don't think McCain has a snowballs chance in Brownsville of beating either Hillary or Obama. Way too many of the Republican base, myself included, WILL NOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN.
  20. Moonclip

    Moonclip Well-Known Member

    I'm doing the vote for Obama in primary, vote for McCain(unfortunately) thing myself. I think Hillary has more of a chance in the real election, not many want to say it but I don't feel America will elect an African-American president. But I do feel many women would vote for Hillary solely because she is a woman though the primaries don't always show this. 1/2 the population is women, 12percent is African-American and I do believe a majority of them at this time are voting for Obama and IIRC they vote 90percent Democratic.

    I in no way mean anything racist by these coments but I'm just keeping it real and I'd vote for Obama or a field mouse for that matter if they were genuinely pro gun. It's sad I have to be a one issue voter but thats the way it is.

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